Another dead unarmed Black man

Dirty_Zulu

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AeroJonesy

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Re: Another dead unarmed Black man

Haven't watched the video, but just today the cop was charged with murder.
 

Johnny

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Re: Another dead unarmed Black man

That's an execution. I'm not ruling out that he mixed up his gun and his taser though as shooting someone like that with so many police officers around can only result in some serious prison time.
 

PFSS

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Yaboosh said:
And I am sure you know the entire story because you read a short news report of the incident.
What - the former Major League baseball player's son who was shot *after* the kids parents had told the police he wasn't a car thief?

That's an execution. I'm not ruling out that he mixed up his gun and his taser though as shooting someone like that with so many police officers and bystanders videotaping the incident around can only result in some serious prison time.
Fixed it for you.

It's not uncommon for police reports of police actions to be at odds with the version of events that other witnesses saw - until video evidence crops up.

As I understand on this story - the police tazer is kept on the opposite side of the belt and I don't think tazers operate by a trigger action, and also I don't think they work from a foot or so away as the officer was apparently expecting when he pulled the trigger on his 'tazer'...

DZ said:
I couldn't make out what's going on in the video but if I was surrounded by 3 cops, I would get on my knees and lie face down. Common sense.
Yeah - you can really see him lunge at the police, I mean with the threatening way he has his hands held up and all...


 

PFSS

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It is.

They do.

And they do.
Apologies - I was thinking the ones where they kinda jab the guy with the contact things. It seems you are indeed correct - the police tazers shoot out lil darts.

I guess this cop just got confused and forgot that for the last couple of years he had been carrying his gun on a particular side...


 

LorveN

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So, this "mixup" confuses me.

Do american policemen have a bullet loaded in the pipe at all times? That certainly isn't the case in Sweden (and I believe, most other countries as well). If they do, that's bad enough.
I just think he should have noticed when he was loading a bullet in the pipe.

And you don't have to do that very same hand movement with a tazer, right? Sure, I assume you might have to turn it on, or operate a safety hatch or something, but an armed and gun trained officer should notice the difference even if he's under pressure?
 

krischan

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IMO it looks as if the officer does something with the gun after drawing it and before shooting, perhaps releasing the safety switch and/or loading it by pulling back the barrel. However, I'm not sure and it's just about a few dozens of pixels which give that impression, but if he activated and loaded it, it would sound rather unplausible that he confused his gun with a taser. It will depend on the eyewitnesses.
 

Felix

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A man sickly jealous of a black mans success in baseball kills his son.

God saw it happen.
 

trashX

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So, this "mixup" confuses me.

Do american policemen have a bullet loaded in the pipe at all times? That certainly isn't the case in Sweden (and I believe, most other countries as well). If they do, that's bad enough.
I just think he should have noticed when he was loading a bullet in the pipe.

And you don't have to do that very same hand movement with a tazer, right? Sure, I assume you might have to turn it on, or operate a safety hatch or something, but an armed and gun trained officer should notice the difference even if he's under pressure?
Please elaborate on how that is bad..
You can look at it two ways:
1. policeman shoots someone because his gun is already loaded
2. policeman saves someone by not having to spend time to load the gun


 

Johnny

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Please elaborate on how that is bad..
You can look at it two ways:
1. policeman shoots someone because his gun is already loaded
2. policeman saves someone by not having to spend time to load the gun
3. 13.000 policemen where hospitalized last year after accidentaly shooting themselves in the leg from keeping the weapon cocked and with the safety off.



 

SaroDarksbane

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So, this "mixup" confuses me.
There was no mixup involved. Police tazers are pistol-like in shape, it's true, but no one would mistake one for an actual pistol, especially not a police officer trained in their use. The things are bright yellow/orange, for God's sake.
Do american policemen have a bullet loaded in the pipe at all times?
Yes. Heck, the M4 and shotgun riding in the cab with my father are kept with one in the chamber too.
3. 13.000 policemen where hospitalized last year after accidentaly shooting themselves in the leg from keeping the weapon cocked and with the safety off.
That's your problem right there.

A lot of handguns come with a grip safety that is only disabled by squeezing the back of the pistol grip, which prevents someone from accidentally discharging their weapon (when drawing it, for instance).



 

Module88

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Apologies - I was thinking the ones where they kinda jab the guy with the contact things. It seems you are indeed correct - the police tazers shoot out lil darts.
No need to apologize.

Lorven said:
Do american policemen have a bullet loaded in the pipe at all times? That certainly isn't the case in Sweden (and I believe, most other countries as well). If they do, that's bad enough.
Not keeping one in the pipe is....... a bad idea. I'll leave it at that for now.

And you don't have to do that very same hand movement with a tazer, right? Sure, I assume you might have to turn it on, or operate a safety hatch or something, but an armed and gun trained officer should notice the difference even if he's under pressure?
The movement, while, different, is similar. You are putting your hand on the grip and drawing a projectile weapon. I'm not making excuses for the guy, nor am I taking a stance here, but stressful situations do funny things. It's certainly not beyond the realm of possibility.

krischan said:
and/or loading it by pulling back the barrel.
..... Slide.

Johnny said:
3. 13.000 policemen where hospitalized last year after accidentaly shooting themselves in the leg from keeping the weapon cocked and with the safety off.
Either get better holsters, or train your police officers to use their weapons properly. What else is there to say? Ignorance brings safety?

Saro said:
A lot of handguns come with a grip safety that is only disabled by squeezing the back of the pistol grip, which prevents someone from accidentally discharging their weapon (when drawing it, for instance).
Well, I'm not sure what manufacturer's tell you, but if you're drawing or otherwise holding your weapon, you're pretty much presumably holding it by the grip. I'd be incredibly surprised if a grip safety prevented an ND. If you're holding the gun, it's probably going to be depressed unless you consciously make a choice to not put pressure on the upper part of the grip. And if you're conscious enough to do that, you should be conscious enough to keep your finger off the trigger.

Useful for CC perhaps if you have a bad holster, so you don't get an AD if it gets snagged on clothing, but you should be using a good holster to begin with, so that's a moot point.



 

Johnny

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Re: Another dead unarmed Black man

Watch out everyone, Mod just came back from a whicked game of Counterstrike so he knows guns.
 

Dirty_Zulu

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A lot of handguns come with a grip safety that is only disabled by squeezing the back of the pistol grip, which prevents someone from accidentally discharging their weapon (when drawing it, for instance).
No- not a lot of handguns. Very few models like the Springfield XD. I have one. It has two safety features. One at the back of the grip and one in the middle of the trigger.

Those types does not have a secondary safety feature on the side of the grip. IMO it's much more dangerous to have that sort of feature in a situation like this. Once you grip the gun it's ready to fire.

Where as if you have the traditional safety feature, the officer would have to reach over with his offhand or use his thumb to disengage the safety. Then he'd definitely know it's not a taser.

I don't know if the standard police procedure is to run around with a bullet in the chamber and have the hammer cocked.



 

trashX

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3. 13.000 policemen where hospitalized last year after accidentaly shooting themselves in the leg from keeping the weapon cocked and with the safety off.
So? Stupidity will always hurt you. The number I'd need to prove it a bad idea is the number of others hurt due to the policemen having a bullet in the gun. Sadly there is no number to compare this to in how many times a gun saved a policeman or hostage etc etc since that's a "what if" scenario


 

KillerAim

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We carried a Colt 45 (M1911A1) that had two safeties; one grip, one manual. Since it's single action, there is a third 'safety' that requires the hammer to be cocked before the gun will fire. (Of course, the act of chambering a round will automatically c0ck the hammer).

While on regular police patrol, we never chambered a round unless we were going into a 'live threat' situation. When I was out in the field, I carried it un-cocked with a chambered round. It's funny that I can still perfectly recall the click-click sound of a chambered round even though it's more than 35 years since I carried the pistol.

--- I should have guessed that that word would be censored!!
 
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