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Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by a3d, Jan 30, 2004.

  1. a3d

    a3d IncGamers Member

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    Religion puts the smack down on reality once again...
     
  3. masterazn

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    I blame Georgia for this...They're always up to weird things.
     
  4. Intolerance

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    We all know how the world started- a talking snake in a tree. Get out of my face with theories and facts, you darn scientists.
     
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    Evolution is often inferred as meaning man descended from apes, when it really means changes in the gene pool over time.

    Perhaps they want to teach more of the science behind evolution and make sure the students know exactly what they are learning. It really doesn't sound like a bad idea to me. Although, I don't think the word should be banned altogether, just de-emphasized.
     
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    evolution is just like any other religion.. it requires faith in theories. So why is it any more viable?

    To be taught in school's i think it should be more stressed that it is.. in fact, a theory... a theory that is yet to be proven true. I remember when i was in high school it was passed off as fact, and i dont agree with that.
     
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    I hear there are talks of removing the word "sex" from sex education classes. It is being put to public vote which phrase to replace it with:

    • Boning
    • Making Sweet Love
     
  8. cougar

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    they should call it... the saturday night hump-a-thon.

    ....or not.....
     
  9. cryist

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    That is just the start, ommiting a a word or changing the name because a group of conserativities dosen't like the word. The next thing you know the same group will want to start burning books again becuase of there content.
     
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    3. Making the beast with two backs

    Call it a write-in.
     
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    well, depends on your definition of evolution. "genetic change over time resulting in a new species has been proven in creaturess like bacteria, domestic roses (though we introduced the biological stress on them) and other plants.
     
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    well we could always remove Georgia from textbooks and replace it with the "dumb**** state"
     
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    Actually those are the two main misconceptions. First of all, evolution, like all science, is based on observations and evidence, of which there is many. It doesn't require one to take a leap of faith, nor is it a finished project. There are constant improvements being made to it (the most famous recent one that comes to mind is the punctuated equilibrium model).

    Second, you are using the popular definition of the term "theory", not the scientific one. The popular one states that a theory is just a conjecture, an idea not proven yet. The equivalent in the scientific world is the hypothesis. The scientific definition of a theory is an explanation of why something happens, something that can be easily tested.

    That is often considered the difference between theories and religious doctrines. The first is based on observations and can be tested, the second requires one to take a "leap of faith."
     
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    If they taught evolution without ever saying the word evolution, I think a lot of people would get a much better understanding of it. And Christian fundamentalists would not be so opposed to it, once they learned more about it. They hear the word "evolution" and immdediately throw up a wall.
     
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    Harr! :lol:

    Double HARR! LOL.

    As to the evolution topic, here's my two bits. Since I'm a religious fellow, I am against teaching the theory of evolution as an explanation of where man came from. I have NO objection to teaching evolution as something that happens in nature everyday. Evolution isn't a theory, it's a fact. It's "The Theory of Evolution" as an explanation of man's origin I have a problem with.

    If banning that phrase and teaching the science behind evolution as a natural part of nature and not as an explanation of man's origin, makes religous folks less objected to it and gives the kids a better understanding of how evolution works, I think it's a good idea.
     
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    So a bacteria became a virus and a rose bush became a Rhododendron?

    I'd be interested in seeing a link to this study or one similar to it to see the conclusions that there was a jump from one species to another.

    I have no problems believing in changes within a species over the course of time (i.e. modifications... alterations, etc.) - but I am yet to be convinced of leaps from one species to another via the evolutionary process. Perhaps it is just my scientific ignorance, but in my opinion (on this subject particularly), the scientific community is guilty of passing evolution (as a whole) off as fact when it truly still is theory. While there is some evidence to support from what I understand, I'm not aware of any definitive proof of it.

    I am neither religious nor a fundamentalist. However, I have a strong religious background... and I suppose I could very well be guilty of holding onto a lot of notions from that previous life.
     
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    That's what i've been trying to say in a few threads, but i keep getting bashed for some reason.

    Microevolution exists... such as self-defense mechanism's and such.. but i've yet to see an intermediate species, i dont see any monkey men walking around. If we did come from apes or whatever.. it's not like they were all in one big pack and all the
    sudden decided to evolve. They'd evolve at different times and different rates.

    but.. go ahead and tear this post apart too, even tho im staking no claim to either side.. just saying that's it's still a theory, and there really isn't empirical evidence to date to prove either or.
     
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    Well, the fossil record is a pretty good set of facts. Of course one could just say the devil stacked the rocks like that to fool us. :xrollseye

    Then there's mutation, which is also observable (and reproducible in the lab) and can account for the radical (not so radical when the amount of time involved is considered) changes seen in the timeline recorded in stone.

    Even a casual observer can see relationships beyond species to genus to family to order and so on. One need not be a scientist, just an owner of common sense, to see the tips of the branches leading back toward the roots.

    The evidence for evolution is pretty clear and definately better than any world-by-magic explanation. It always strikes me as odd when someone believes, unquestionably (and with zero evidence or logic), in magic but demands proof in stone of something discovered by scientific method (and doesn't even accept the proof in stone!).
     
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    I have posted this website before and shall do so again. If you really want to know what science says about this subject, then this site is the place to go.


    A few excerpts from their FAQ page:

    See this and much more @
    http://www.talkorigins.org/
     
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    Evolution, or the aspect of it known as natural selection, does indeed exist. Many species existing today are easily traceable through fossil records (you know, the fossil records planted by The One as a test of our faith?) as having changed over time to the forms they now possess. Also, it is a word used to describe a scientific hypothesis, theory, what have you. Since it is a word, with a specific definition, I cannot understand why a superintendent of schools would get involved with trying to change it to something else.
    Gee ... I don't like the word 'geology' any more. I'd like to change it to 'tectonology' so people who own Geo's won't get upset.
    What a waste of time and newspaper space.
     

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