Ancient Tunnels/MF

[NagisaFurukawa]

Haru da mono. /OT

 

[japanzaman]

Its not that simple. For one thing dont even bother running Pindle without Enigma, 45 FRW is impossible to pass up. Following your logic no char should then run Pindle, or could do so effectively. I beg to differ. As I said I am not a fast MF-runner, I dont react fast enough and still I can run Pindle in less than 15 sec. per run. I am sure that a more skilled runner could run Pindle faster at maybe around 10 sec or lower. If thats true, then Pindle will net what amounts to 12 boss drops per minute, and around 18 if you include hork. I find it hard to believe that you can run Pits or AT with an avg. of 12 boss-kills including hork per minute.

I think you're looking at this issue backwards. If you have Enigma, you would probably be better served doing AT or Pits. If not, and you cannot teleport, then Pindle can be a good source of wealth for you until you can cobble the runes together for Enigma. Clearly, if you have Enigma this will speed up everything, including Pindle. I'm also a little skeptical about <10 sec clear times for average. 15 sounds more realistic.

 

[Gripphon]

If someone doesn't have Enigma, then I assume he will either run AT with sorc (best solution) or will run Pindle with sorc as well. As for other enigmaless characters, Pindle is just unbeatable compared to any other area in the game. Characters can use teleport charges easily for Pindle, need 3 per run anyway. And that fix guy is close by to repair charges, will need to do 1 repair per 8 runs done which is not bad. I'm positive that Pindle-zerker with teleport charges can beat any Pindle sorc out there. But I also assume no one cares about teleport charges to use them like that.

15 seconds on Pindle is definitely more realistic. 10 is actually impossible as stated. Even 15 is... pretty hardcore time. Perhaps some zerker with near-instant save-load time can do it like that.

 

[Korlic]

I can tell you for a fact that it is possible to run Pindle in less than 15 sec. 10 sec might be unrealistic but I would be surprised if you couldnt get runtime down to at least 12 sec.

The thing is I can run pindle at around 15 sec 14-17 depending on luck/skill. I dont even have the best gear like no Pride to boost damage, no 10 FCR MF rings, not the best MF small charms etc.

 

[Korlic]

Ok so just to be sure I tested this and in just 52 runs I managed to get a fastest run at 15.438 according to Silopens. I havent made these runs while, so at around 14 sec for an absolute best seem plausible to me.

 

[NagisaFurukawa]

Video of a significant amount of runs in which someone averages 12 seconds at Pindle or it didn't happen. Based upon nulio's testing above, it would take perfect execution as well as extremely quick load times to get anywhere near 12 seconds.

Let's just look at frozzzen and Gripphon as examples. Both have very high end gear, and neither is exactly terrible at this game. They have some of the fastest run times in SPF history in AT/Pit/Baal, after all. How were their Pindle times during MFO? 15.6 and 16.2 seconds respectively. Did they have runs in the 12 second range? Probably. Does that ultimately matter? No. The average is the only meaningful figure, and it be quite a bit different from the fastest run time possible. (As another example, my average was 36.1 in AT last MFO, 10+ seconds slower than my fastest time.)

 

[Gripphon]

Can't recall my fastest time during that MFO, but it was ~12 sec range. I know I had few times something like 12.2 or 12.3, but below 12 I can't remember so let's say 12.2 was fastest run while 16.2 was average overall. While I was focused on running during that MFO, Frozen watched some shiats in the background and managed to get that time. I am kind of interested in this to see what is fastest average run possible to get on Pindle and with what character.

 

[japanzaman]

I am kind of interested in this to see what is fastest average run possible to get on Pindle and with what character.

I would have to think the Zerker would perform the best. Howl and Increased Speed are just pretty darn tough for other classes to beat.

 

[NoisemakerArrow]

Sank you, Nagi-san.

 

[Korlic]

It has to be a Zerker increased FRW passive as well as howl and 1 hit kill. I dont see any other char getting near that. Also Barb and sorc have the same FCR formula that means you even with just 20 procent FCR you tele quite fast.

 

[Fabian]

I can't really see a Barb having the fastest Pindle run time, since waiting for the hork to die + horking takes a really long time, comparatively speaking.

Would something like an LS Zon just throw a javelin and kill pindle every time? If so my money is on that.

Edit: In practice whoever had the best setup when it comes to loading times etc (SSD drive and stuff like that) will probably be the fastest, but I'm assuming all else being equal.