Anakha's Moronic Parents of the Week Award
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Silvermyst
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I'd just like to throw in why I'm with Anakha in relation to the area I live in. I live in what is considered one of the safest suburbs in our city. Its residents are generally very friendly and many have small children. Now, I don't think in my 19 years of living here, I've ever seen and children under 8 (or so) walking around by themselves. Any that are, always have their parent/s with them. All talk of criminals and rapists aside, there are still many many potential dangers; reckless drivers, animals, insects, storm-water drains, playground equipment, and a lake.
I'm going to talk about 2 things, animals and distance. Young children are very suseptible (sp?) to distraction, whether they have a destination or not. It's very easy for them to see a stray cat, and chase it or get attacked by it. If they chase it, they lose concentration of their surroundings, resulting in running onto roads, getting lost, etc. That's one example. What if they stop to look at a pretty flower and get stung by a bee. A bee sting to an allurgic young child can easily be fatal, especially if they don't have access to treatment. The latter is of course a rare and extreme situation, but that doesn't mean it can't happen. I know if that happened to my child and I wasn't there to prevent/help such a trivial accident, I would never forgive myself.
Not long ago, I was sitting at a stop waiting for the bus, and a parent was walking their (I guestimate) 5 year old only one block to a friend's house. One block, that's all, about 200 metres. It took them nearly half an hour to get there, and this is with the parent constantly beckoning the child to follow. The child wasn't throwing any tantrums or anything that might have been as a result of his parent being there, he was just walking along, stopping almost every 3 metres just to look/touch at something.
Not all children are like that, but they get distracted easily, making what would normally be an incredibly short journey much more drawn out, with greater possibility of some form of accident occuring.
Once again, imo a 5 year old is just way too underdeveloped (emotionally and physically) to handle being unsupervised. It's still possible to watch over your children while they're exploring and experiencing things by themselves. People in this thread are blowing our (webdragon, anakha, myself, etc) stance on the matter waaaaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion.
I'm going to talk about 2 things, animals and distance. Young children are very suseptible (sp?) to distraction, whether they have a destination or not. It's very easy for them to see a stray cat, and chase it or get attacked by it. If they chase it, they lose concentration of their surroundings, resulting in running onto roads, getting lost, etc. That's one example. What if they stop to look at a pretty flower and get stung by a bee. A bee sting to an allurgic young child can easily be fatal, especially if they don't have access to treatment. The latter is of course a rare and extreme situation, but that doesn't mean it can't happen. I know if that happened to my child and I wasn't there to prevent/help such a trivial accident, I would never forgive myself.
Not long ago, I was sitting at a stop waiting for the bus, and a parent was walking their (I guestimate) 5 year old only one block to a friend's house. One block, that's all, about 200 metres. It took them nearly half an hour to get there, and this is with the parent constantly beckoning the child to follow. The child wasn't throwing any tantrums or anything that might have been as a result of his parent being there, he was just walking along, stopping almost every 3 metres just to look/touch at something.
Not all children are like that, but they get distracted easily, making what would normally be an incredibly short journey much more drawn out, with greater possibility of some form of accident occuring.
Once again, imo a 5 year old is just way too underdeveloped (emotionally and physically) to handle being unsupervised. It's still possible to watch over your children while they're exploring and experiencing things by themselves. People in this thread are blowing our (webdragon, anakha, myself, etc) stance on the matter waaaaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion.
SaroDarksbane
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Dangerous insects? Where do you live?!?!
Silvermyst
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bees, wasps, spiders (not exactly insect but close enough), spitfires (baaad catapillars) specificallySaroDarksbane said:
Dangerous insects? Where do you live?!?!
I firmly agree with Anakha and Silvermyst here, 5 years olds should not be walking around anywhere alone. It's sad but that's the way it is these days. If I see a little kid walking I expect the parents to be close behind, and if they're not I would probably investigate further.
I think restricting your child's independence a little is a small price to pay for their safety.
I think restricting your child's independence a little is a small price to pay for their safety.
The reason I brought martial arts into this was to explain one way that an 16 year old can protect themselves that a 5 year old can't. A method most teens don't use, yes I agree, but it's just an extreme.
Silvermyst's post brings up plenty of excellent points, better ones than the criminal ones.
Silvermyst's post brings up plenty of excellent points, better ones than the criminal ones.
Axurewrath
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The whole letting a 5 year old walk to her friends house wasnt the part that struck me odd... but the BOUND IN DUCT TAPE part made me laugh my *** off :lol: i probably shouldnt laugh.... but what kind of insane fool DUCT TAPES a 5 year old for fun?
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xXxDraGoNxXx1123
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I'm afraid you are failing to read between the lines. They didn't state how exactly she was duct taped, nor would they say that she was molested. When a kid isn't molested, the police say they are not molested. When they are molested, the police say they won't say whether they were or not.Axurewrath said:
So basically if you read between the lines, the girl was taped to restrain her while she was molested.
Not quite so funny then.
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Wow, a guy says a good parent should walk their 5 year old kid, and half the people go nuts on him. I gotta say, I am definitely with the original poster and the people who supported his view on this. He may have gone too far by saying they were "stupid" but as he later stated he meant to say they acted stupidly, I also believe they acted stupidly.
First off, for all those people that say, "you gotta stop babying them some time. and that there are 16 year old that are in danger of being *****, etc" I think there is a fine line between when an adolescent/ young adult is ready for that. For example, if you are 16, and your mom walks you 2 blocks to your friend's house, I think there might be some detrimental consequences of that with regard to the 16 year olds social life. So obviously, 16 is too old to be babying. This distinction gets less clear as you get younger, like at 10. I think that borders the line between letting them be independent and trying to protect them. From the child's point of view, it will probably be annoying, and he/she would probably want to go on their own as not to be a "baby", but in the end, they are kids, and there are reasons why they are still considered kids. But when you get to 5 years old, personally, I think that's too young. People aren't gonna make fun of them because their mommy is coming along with them, they wont be ridiculed as being "babies" cause ya know what... they are babies.
Just wondering.... how many of you that oppose Anakha are actually parents? I'm not saying that a nonparent doesn't have rights to talk in this topic (after all, I'm not a parent), but i think a nonparent saying they would let their child walk with out supervision is sorta stupid cause they don't have any emotions attachted. Ill give everyone the benefit of the doubt and assume that all of you are parents. So i got a hypothetical situation for yall. Suppose your 5 year old daughter wants to go to her friend's house 2 blocks away. In your mind, she has done it a million times, no, a billion times before. You live in a safe neighborhood, no abductions ever. So you say yes, after a billion times in our safe neighborhood, why not? So you let her go, and unluckily for you, she gets abducted. Now we take a pause in the story, and I have a question, do you just say to yourself "well, she was old enough to fend for herself, I guess this is just a learning experience for her to go through. It wasn’t my fault; I should have done absolutely nothing different. I knew this was a gamble, after all, she did do it a billion times before, and I let her go by herself, and I guess I lost against the odds of one billion to one. Oh well." Well, I sincerely doubt it.
Now back to the hypothetical situation, lets say you get lucky, and the police find the abductor within the day and put him in jail for the rest of his life. Furthermore, she is perfectly safe now, and completely unharmed. In fact, this experience was so traumatic for her, that she just completely blocked this whole experience from her mind. To her, the day was just another day in her childhood, no recollection at all. So you are happy everything turned out fine; the child is happy, physically unharmed, and doesn't even remember this horrid experience. Skip to tomorrow. Your daughter of 5 years wants to play with her friend who lives 2 blocks away. She even says she can walk there by herself, because after all, they live in a safe neighborhood, and she has done it safely a billion times before. What do you do? The odds are good that she won't be abducted aren't they? A billion to one times she made it safely, these are pretty good odds. In addition to this, the abducter from yesterday is safely confined in a cell for the rest of his life. So why not? Let me hear it from all you opponents of Anakha, would you let your 5 year old go now?
Some might say this is a different situation because she was abducted yesterday, but its not really. A billion to one chance is basically random; it signifies that every time you let her walk unsupervised the possibility that she will be abducted will ALWAYS there. Whether she was abducted yesterday or has never been abducted, there is always a possibility that it will happen the next time she goes outside unsupervised. Personally, I think a parent should treat every time their child wants to go out like the time in the hypothetical question, right after she had been abducted, cause you never know, it might be time for that single time in one billion times that she gets abducted.
On a side note to Zodiac, Ichi is the freakest person. Ever.
Wow, a guy says a good parent should walk their 5 year old kid, and half the people go nuts on him. I gotta say, I am definitely with the original poster and the people who supported his view on this. He may have gone too far by saying they were "stupid" but as he later stated he meant to say they acted stupidly, I also believe they acted stupidly.
First off, for all those people that say, "you gotta stop babying them some time. and that there are 16 year old that are in danger of being *****, etc" I think there is a fine line between when an adolescent/ young adult is ready for that. For example, if you are 16, and your mom walks you 2 blocks to your friend's house, I think there might be some detrimental consequences of that with regard to the 16 year olds social life. So obviously, 16 is too old to be babying. This distinction gets less clear as you get younger, like at 10. I think that borders the line between letting them be independent and trying to protect them. From the child's point of view, it will probably be annoying, and he/she would probably want to go on their own as not to be a "baby", but in the end, they are kids, and there are reasons why they are still considered kids. But when you get to 5 years old, personally, I think that's too young. People aren't gonna make fun of them because their mommy is coming along with them, they wont be ridiculed as being "babies" cause ya know what... they are babies.
Just wondering.... how many of you that oppose Anakha are actually parents? I'm not saying that a nonparent doesn't have rights to talk in this topic (after all, I'm not a parent), but i think a nonparent saying they would let their child walk with out supervision is sorta stupid cause they don't have any emotions attachted. Ill give everyone the benefit of the doubt and assume that all of you are parents. So i got a hypothetical situation for yall. Suppose your 5 year old daughter wants to go to her friend's house 2 blocks away. In your mind, she has done it a million times, no, a billion times before. You live in a safe neighborhood, no abductions ever. So you say yes, after a billion times in our safe neighborhood, why not? So you let her go, and unluckily for you, she gets abducted. Now we take a pause in the story, and I have a question, do you just say to yourself "well, she was old enough to fend for herself, I guess this is just a learning experience for her to go through. It wasn’t my fault; I should have done absolutely nothing different. I knew this was a gamble, after all, she did do it a billion times before, and I let her go by herself, and I guess I lost against the odds of one billion to one. Oh well." Well, I sincerely doubt it.
Now back to the hypothetical situation, lets say you get lucky, and the police find the abductor within the day and put him in jail for the rest of his life. Furthermore, she is perfectly safe now, and completely unharmed. In fact, this experience was so traumatic for her, that she just completely blocked this whole experience from her mind. To her, the day was just another day in her childhood, no recollection at all. So you are happy everything turned out fine; the child is happy, physically unharmed, and doesn't even remember this horrid experience. Skip to tomorrow. Your daughter of 5 years wants to play with her friend who lives 2 blocks away. She even says she can walk there by herself, because after all, they live in a safe neighborhood, and she has done it safely a billion times before. What do you do? The odds are good that she won't be abducted aren't they? A billion to one times she made it safely, these are pretty good odds. In addition to this, the abducter from yesterday is safely confined in a cell for the rest of his life. So why not? Let me hear it from all you opponents of Anakha, would you let your 5 year old go now?
Some might say this is a different situation because she was abducted yesterday, but its not really. A billion to one chance is basically random; it signifies that every time you let her walk unsupervised the possibility that she will be abducted will ALWAYS there. Whether she was abducted yesterday or has never been abducted, there is always a possibility that it will happen the next time she goes outside unsupervised. Personally, I think a parent should treat every time their child wants to go out like the time in the hypothetical question, right after she had been abducted, cause you never know, it might be time for that single time in one billion times that she gets abducted.
On a side note to Zodiac, Ichi is the freakest person. Ever.
MixedVariety
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While I agree that there was perhaps some irresponsibility here on the part of the parents, I know that as attentive and loving a Dad as I am, there have been plenty of opportunities while raising children for something horrible to have happened to one of them. It is only sheer good luck sometimes that keeps the worst from happening. Five years old is a bit young to let out alone on the streets; my daughter is going on 10 now, and I've only let her out and about the neighborhood on her bike in the last year or so. Even then, I have to know her destination, speak with the parents beforehand, and she needs to call me the moment she gets there.
Being a parent means being human. Humans make mistakes. This one may have been out of stupidity or ignorance, but I wouldn't pass judgement by saying these are bad parents. I only notice most of that type of judgement being passed by those who aren't parents yet.
Being a parent means being human. Humans make mistakes. This one may have been out of stupidity or ignorance, but I wouldn't pass judgement by saying these are bad parents. I only notice most of that type of judgement being passed by those who aren't parents yet.
zodiac66
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As I said earlier, there is no way that I would allow Liam to go anywhere by himself. Liam is the light of my life and I would do anything to keep him safe and if that entails prohibiting his independence, that is something he will have to deal with and will understand when he has kids.
You don't know if you neighbor might be a pervert. I check the Ohio website once a month to see if anyone moved into my area. But, as it has been stated, they don't always live in the area.
An abduction, I would guess, is one of the most horrific events that could happen to a parent and a child. If one ounce of prevention will alleviate that horrific event, then that is what I will do. Responsibility and independence, they can get that at home. Give them chores, let them make their own decisions AT HOME. Not on the streets.
You don't know if you neighbor might be a pervert. I check the Ohio website once a month to see if anyone moved into my area. But, as it has been stated, they don't always live in the area.
An abduction, I would guess, is one of the most horrific events that could happen to a parent and a child. If one ounce of prevention will alleviate that horrific event, then that is what I will do. Responsibility and independence, they can get that at home. Give them chores, let them make their own decisions AT HOME. Not on the streets.