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An Quandry of Max Block and Poison Dagger

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  1. eatenbyrobots

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    An Quandry of Max Block and Poison Dagger

    EDIT: Man, I do a well-written post and then notice a really basic grammar error in my title much too late. A QUANDRY. A QUANDRY.

    So, just calculating my life here with my present Poison Dagger Necro plans. I haven't started him yet, not really anyway. He's level 5 on the Cold Plains, green as a leaf.

    But I digress: I want to use Trag's Wing for the -25% Poison Resist bonus it gives. I also want max block since a Daggermancer is hopping around in the middle of monsters and no matter how good I am at cursing, something is gonna hit me at some point. Problem: I've calculated the dex I'll need for max block with that thing and it's [email protected], when leveling up becomes mind-achingly monotonous. 230 is . . . disgustingly high of a dex total to dig out of my stat pool, especially for the frail necro. I'm left with a mere 130 points to sink into vit if I do all 3 Black Book quests, and I think in the end, not including equipment, my life hits around 400. That's not quite hell viable, right? Bowzons have more life than that.

    SO, any suggestions on how I could get that total into, at the very least, the four-digits? I'm too poor to afford a CtA right now. I'm planning to be using a Treachery for the delicious Venom damage-stacking effect and the Fade, Trag gloves of course, and Trag's belt. Rings, gloves, helm and amulet are all open for customization right now.

    My main questions are thus:

    Should I choose a diff. source of -%PR than Trag's set and use the [email protected] instead to protect me? Perhaps facets in a 3sox helmet?

    OR

    Should I load up on +stat items and +life charms and just hope for the best? If so, what gear would be good for helm, boots and jewelry?

    OR

    Should I not do max block and rely wholly on using curses and evasive tactics to survive?

    Also: if I've made some gross miscalculation about my stats, lemmie know. My projected build-done level of 87 + 3 for the stat quests x 5. That's 90 x 5 = 450 stat points - 91str - 230dex = 129 points into vit. 129 x 2 life per point = 258 life + 87 levels x 1.5 for life per level = 388 life rounded down.

    I did have to take remedial math in college, but I remember being pretty good at arithmetic in 3rd grade. PAID OFF TONIGHT.
     
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    Re: An Quandary of Max Block and Poison Dagger

    Heh, quandary is the right word ;)


    And + stat seems to be the best if you want to lower res (after said curse). Raven gives a nice + dex along with more you'll need. A safety amulet boosts chance to block, and I think can potentially get dex as well, so crafts are a consideration.

    At the very least, cat's eye amulet has +25 dex.




    Not sure about how STR will turn out, but Shadowdancers also come with a lof of dex.
     
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    Re: An Quandary of Max Block and Poison Dagger

    I've done max block with Trang's shield on my daggermancer. It wasn't too bad, but you will need life charms. It isn't like you are suddenly going to be able to tank in Hell if you go pure vita. Necros dont' get a lot of hp from vitality anyway.

    In either case, you'll need to rely on curses and your merc to stay alive. 1pt Revive gives great meat shields.
     
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    Re: An Quandary of Max Block and Poison Dagger

    230 isn't that bad. At that level, it'll probably be about half of your actual stat points. Remember that you're going to get some +dex from the wing itself and likely get a lot more from other items. You'll also get some HP from trang set and can again get more from other items. Afterall, there's not a lot else for a necromancer to get in terms of mods.
     
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    Re: An Quandry of Max Block and Poison Dagger

    Did you forget the 3x20 life from the ashes of Ku Y'leh?


     
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    Re: An Quandry of Max Block and Poison Dagger

    Also, at level 87 you have 86 levels worth of stats, not 87. You don't get any stats at level 1. It should be (86 + 3) * 5 expendable stat points. Same goes for the life gained per level, you only gain 86 * 1.5. If you meant your build finishes at level **, then yes, your math is correct if you incorporate the +60 life from potions.
     
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    Re: An Quandry of Max Block and Poison Dagger

    Wheeeee I knew I'd **** my math up.

    But nevertheless, I've recently made offers for some GCs including a lifer curse GC . . . noooobody cares about curse GCs so it'll go cheap I'm sure. I believe I'll compensate for my low life as best I can with gear and then pump my curses high to act as my "tank" besides a well-equipped merc and my golem.

    I'll go with max block on the Trag's and hope for the best. Skill will have to prevail over all frailty.
     
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    Re: An Quandry of Max Block and Poison Dagger

    Twitchthroe of however it's spelled armor gives you a big old boost on blocking. It's low level, but it can be upped with the cube.
     
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    Re: An Quandry of Max Block and Poison Dagger

    Twitchthroe isn't worth upping, it's defense is terrible regardless. If you want to use the mods, then go for it.
     
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    Re: An Quandry of Max Block and Poison Dagger

    I'm lvl 49 now into NM, and I'm able to wear my treachery, Blackbog's, Trag's Claws, skillers and a Homunc for until I can equip the Trag's Wing. My block is maxed and my AR is brilliant for NM, and my poison kills anything dead. Ever. A single stab can kill even mummies and sand maggots in short order and that's even without Lower Resist. <3 poison.

    My life is, however, at 309 and if I wasn't playing alongside a Spearazon /w lifetap I'd be dead, dead and dead some more. 303 life is a one-hit-kill in Hell guaranteed. I'm still waiting on some skill GCs including a lifer. I'm going to try to make a CtA as well.

    Would Waterwalks or a good Sandstorm be a better choice for boots? And is a Harly Crest the best choice for such a character for a helm?
     
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    Re: An Quandry of Max Block and Poison Dagger

    Actually, 303 life isn't a one-hit-kill in hell. In A1 hell, you could probably even get hit 5 or 6 times and still not drop. Further, you're going to be about 20 levels higher than you are now when you get to hell. You'll have drunk an HP elixir, too. If you put 2 points in Vit for each level (you will probably add more than this, since max block with Trang Wing requires only about half your stats to Dex), you'll wind up with another 150ish HP by hell, and that's not counting improvements in your gear.
     
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    Re: An Quandry of Max Block and Poison Dagger

    no prob with trangs, just gotta shael it to avoid block lock lol. Even my sorc with almost no +stats and with max block stormshield had 800 at lvl 80ish life which tanked like a hulk with decrep and holy freeze on.
    And yeah waterwalk(much more life than treks if you dont need the fhr) and shako help a lot, and life charms
     
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    Re: An Quandry of Max Block and Poison Dagger

    Life charms are probably going to be the big ones. AFAIK you start getting 10-15 life SCs in early nightmare.
     
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    Re: An Quandry of Max Block and Poison Dagger

    Dudes are helpin' me out here, thanks.

    I think I'll go with Treks unless there's another source of FHR around. I'm not tanking so it doesn't need to be too high. Faster block will be more important. And thanks for reminding me about blocklock, it's an issue I'm dealing with currently. I'll have to remember to socket that. It's a shame that slot has to go to a Shael.

    I'm not sure what to pop into the Blackbog's, come to think of it. IAS isn't overly important for Poison Dagger. Maybe a +life jewel or something. +IAS/+life jewels surely can't come cheap. Maybe a Nef to put some distance between myself and the monster I'm assassinating? In the absence of anything else that sounds pretty useful.
     
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    Re: An Quandry of Max Block and Poison Dagger

    Poison Facets are the way to go. The -resistance doesn't just apply to the damage, but also to the duration.
     
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    Re: An Quandry of Max Block and Poison Dagger

    Oh yeah! Poison facets! I forgot about those. Too bad I only have the Blackbogs to trick out with them, or the Crest if I strip the Um out of it. Treachery's Venom-stacking effect is too tasty to pass up and I should Shael the Wing. Depends on if I can find good resistance charms or not I suppose.
     
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    Re: An Quandry of Max Block and Poison Dagger

    Have you considered an eld (7% increased chance of blocking, easy to get) or a crafted safety amulet (1 to 10% increased chance of blocking, easy to make, hard to find a good one). You could theoretically end up with a amulet with 8-10% increase blocking and either resistances, life or + to necromancer skills if you craft enough or find a trade.
     
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    Re: An Quandry of Max Block and Poison Dagger

    The Eld I did not consider, but the Shael may be necessary for the increased block speed.

    I haven't gotten into crafting yet, but I'm pretty sure that it would be equally difficult and amazing to roll something like that. I've got a lvl93 who could try it out if I can collect the materials.
     
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    Re: An Quandry of Max Block and Poison Dagger

    Yes, it is a question of what is good enough. Crafting an 8-10% increased block is easy... crafting an 8-10 increased block with useful mods is hard... crafting the equivalent of a Mara's with 10% blocking is like winning the lotto.
     
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    Re: An Quandry of Max Block and Poison Dagger

    DarkeRahl on EuSCL is collecting 1000 craft packs just for that purpose. Talk about hedging your bets.

    Anyway, I digress: I'll probably use a Mara's itself in the absence of a good safety amulet.
     

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