An interesting OP-ED about the EU constitution.

Steve_Kow

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An interesting OP-ED about the EU constitution.

Cato.org

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July 5, 2003


US-EU: The Constitutional Divide
by Marian Tupy and Patrick Basham

Marian Tupy is assistant director of the Project on Global Economic Liberty and Patrick Basham is senior fellow in the Center for Representative Government at the Cato Institute.

All written constitutions are products of their time. They reflect a specific political culture, the strength of different political interests, and the particular historical concerns of the authors themselves. As President Bush, sworn to defend a constitution written over 200 years ago, meets in Washington with EU leaders finalizing a constitution of their own, the respective documents reflect the differences between American and European political cultures.

The American Constitution is a product of the 18th century Enlightenment. Its overriding concern is the relationship between individual freedom and coercive government power. Hence, the government's powers are delegated, enumerated, and thus limited. The authority that government enjoys is derived from the people, who can, in theory, reclaim that authority.

In contrast, the recently drafted EU constitution is a product of 20th century welfare-state socialism. The official goal was to design a simpler, more efficient, more democratic Europe that is "closer to its citizens." However, the goal was never seriously pursued and, consequently, never achieved. As a result, the new constitution will have serious negative implications for liberal parliamentary democracy and the principles of self-government.

The EU constitution makes European government more, not less, remote from the citizenry. The EU's operations are expanded, not streamlined, and its bureaucracy is made more complex, not simpler. There are no cuts to the EU's 97,000 pages of accumulated laws and regulations. The EU's powers are supposedly limited in this document but there is an escape clause in case the Brussels-based bureaucracy ever feels boxed in by popular sentiment. The decisions in Brussels are final and EU laws supersede laws made by national parliaments.

The EU constitution ignores the delineation of government powers for both ideological and practical reasons. Ideologically, the federalist European Left views government as the initiator of action, which is why it favors a government uninhibited by individual freedom. By contrast, most Americans view government as a facilitator of actions initiated by private individuals. That is why individualism is incompatible with the welfare state and that is why it is rejected by European elites as alien to the European political system.

In practical terms, the drafters of the EU constitution made a conscious decision to leave the exact parameters of federal government power as ambiguous as possible. This is in order to provide for the expansion of EU power held centrally in Brussels. If the EU is ever to approximate the stature of the United States in international affairs and global economics, the Brussels-led reasoning goes, centralized decision-making must increase. Hence, the pessimism of those seeking to overturn the EU's longstanding "democratic deficit."

The EU constitution is also full of dangerously vague, politically correct phraseology, including references to "sustainable development," "solidarity between generations," and "the social market economy." Moreover, the EU constitution is also preoccupied with the codification of welfare entitlements, i.e., redistributive claims that individuals and/or groups make against one another. For example, some of the provisions in the European Charter of Fundamental Rights, such as the right to a job, can only be guaranteed through the transfer of vast resources from some citizens to others.

When the original Charter was signed, it was considered a non-binding statement of intent. That is why the British, whose political system most closely resembles the American, were willing to consent to it. The EU constitution makes the Charter provisions compulsory in the manner of the American Bill of Rights. However, the two are fundamentally different. With the exception of the 7th Amendment, which provides Americans with the right to a trial by jury, the Bill of Rights stipulates only those rights individuals possess vis-à-vis the state. It says nothing about entitlements that some people may receive at others' expense.

The formal adoption of the EU constitution will result in one of two possible outcomes. Either the constitutional welfare provisions will be discretely ignored, because of their prohibitive cost and negative effect on European economic growth, or their enforcement will lead to even greater central government regulation of European social and economic life.

In the former outcome, the entire EU constitution will be devalued by overtly broken promises. The latter outcome will relegate the European economy to permanent second-class socio-economic status and thus postpone, perhaps indefinitely, the European dream of eventually rivaling American financial wealth, cultural influence, and political power.

Alain Lamassoure, a French delegate to the EU Constitutional Convention, states, "Our work compares favorably with that of the Philadelphia Convention." On the contrary, the EU's technocratic social engineers confused their overly elaborate constitutional designs with the simple yet enlightened principles that anchor the American Constitution and underpin the very success that the EU exists to emulate.
Your thoughts? I am particularly interested in hearing the opinions of our European members.
 

Croup

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I have my opinions on this as well, but I'd love to hear from the Europeans on the board. Except the Brits. Non-integrationist lollygaggers. :)
 

Stevinator

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the very concept of a supernational legal entity is adding another layer of government. the process was doomed to failure. what the europeans need is to quit thinking that those in power know what is best and allow their citizens the freedom to excel. Although many european nations consistently do things that irritate me, I have solidarity with those who will soon be even more oppressed under this new regime. Unfortunately for them, they don't have me to rail against this new tyrrany on forums as i'm much more interested in railing against tyrrany here in america. sorry guys.

BTW did anyone else see this coming?
 

Plum

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I'm looking through the charter to find the conditions of the right to a job and such, and I'm not finding anything along the lines of what the author is saying. I'm assuming that this is what he's talking about:

Article 15
Freedom to choose an occupation and right to engage in work

1. Everyone has the right to engage in work and to pursue a freely chosen or accepted occupation.
2. Every citizen of the Union has the freedom to seek employment, to work, to exercise the right of establishment and to provide services in any Member State.
3. Nationals of third countries who are authorised to work in the territories of the Member States are entitled to working conditions equivalent to those of citizens of the Union.
Why would this require "vast" sacrifices on the part of other citizens? Maybe I'm using an older version of the charter though, so someone correct me if I'm mistaken about something.

The one I see an issue with is the 'right to property', but I'll wait for some input from the European end of the forum as well.



Stevinator, how does any of what you're talking about amount to tyrannical oppression?
 

Stevinator

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Plum said:
I'm looking through the charter to find the conditions of the right to a job and such, and I'm not finding anything along the lines of what the author is saying. I'm assuming that this is what he's talking about:



Why would this require "vast" sacrifices on the part of other citizens? Maybe I'm using an older version of the charter though, so someone correct me if I'm mistaken about something.

The one I see an issue with is the 'right to property', but I'll wait for some input from the European end of the forum as well.



Stevinator, how does any of what you're talking about amount to tyrannical oppression?
the farther oyu get from the democratic process teh more liekly oyu are to have abuse. look at america...we have rampant abuse and we directly elect most officails and are hearing stories of even worse actions taken by those elected through teh electoral college. no imagine that that electoral college elected another one who elected another one who finally elected the highest officials. do you think your views would be better served?

the european nations had some abitrary level of control over those that governed them. now they are forming another layer that they'll have much less control over. no matter what amount of control they had before, they're going to have less when the process is done. this is a step in the wrong direction. I'd rather not delve into european politics, but I felt many countries didn't have the freest systems beforee this hwole EU business. now things are getting worse for them.

Now i have mixed feelings about the electoral college here in america. don't get me wrong...it does have merits...but if they wanted to add another level i think it would completely defeat the purpose. I think soon, perhaps now, we have the technology to have a true election for national office--the president, and i would support a change to a popular vote(on principle)...but with trepidation. i am not sure the polls are secure enough for that step yet.

The text your'e reading is at least a few years old. I remember it from college. I think the author is commenting on the new constitution being written by the EU.

this is less than 24 hours old. the first question states that the text has not yet been published.
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/eu/story/0,9061,1195272,00.html
 

Plum

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Based on what I've read about the presidential component, I'm guessing that his or her powers will be pretty limited. They already have a president type system I believe, but it's rotational. So this new proposal would actually be improving the democratic process in the EU as far as I can see. Either way, I doubt that the president of the EU will be able to rival the head honchos of most of the member nations.

The author was referring to the original charter, and I'm sort of kind of semi-sure that hat I quoted what he was talking about. The charter is a portion of the whole constitution anyways, so the question in that link you posted doesn't say if it'll undergo major revisions or stay the same.
 

Drosselmeier

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I don´t know enough about the details of the constitution to be able to comment on it intelligently. I´m a bit ashamed of myself to be honest. This is definitely something that I should get involved in and seriously read up on.

That editorial paints a pretty grim picture, and I can´t really agree with that much of it. It´s obviously written by someone who stands on the opposite end of the political spectrum in relation to me. I believe firmly in the notion that you have no real freedom if your basic needs are not satisfied. Making sure that those who are unable to support themselves for whatever reason are provided for at the expense of those who have more than they need does not make the population in general less free.

I am something of a federalist, unlike most of the Swedish left. I believe that the EU will benefit those countries who are economically weak and socially rigid greatly in the short term, and the union as a whole in a slightly longer term. That being said, I am a bit worried about the sharing of power and how that is going to be worked out. Because the nations of Europe are so dramatically different from one another I think it´s importaint not to rush the formation of a super-state government with to much power over the individual nation governments. That would lead to too much friction. It is better to thoroughly cement the economic cooperation before getting to deep into the political bit. For now, I think the constitution should be left more of an agreement.

The author of that op-ed forgot to mention that aside from the differences in political philosophy and culture there are quite a few other differences which shaped and shape the contsitutions. As importaint as the ideology is the economical, social and political realities of the day. A constitution written for 25 developed nations with differing political traditions and cultures can not possibly look the same as one written for 13 newly freed, homogenous and young colonies. It´s not just about the political philosophy.

The only fears I have about the convention, and by extension the constitution, is that not enough has been done to somehow inform and involve the peoples of the nations in the process and that it´s led by d´estaigne (I think that´s his name) who is pretty much a pseudo fascist. I´m unsure how much influence he has had over the process in reality though.
 

maccool

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Just to put your socialist mind to rest, Dross, the Cato Institute is a think tank with Libertarian-type leanings. So the 'grim picture' in the op-ed piece is kinda a forgone conclusion as socialists are the apparent mortal enemy of libertarians.

Personally, I like what's happening in Europe. Another quasi-superpower makes for good competition. I use 'quasi' because, unless Norway and the U.K. get on board, the EU won't have the juice, both literally (oil) and politically.
 
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