Americans in WW2?
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lAmebAdger
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Re: Americans in WW2?
germany was going downhill economically. hitler says he reduced the number of unemployed people by more than half... yea, right, good job just saying the women don't count and sticking some of the male unemployed into the war industries..
he was gearing up for big offense. that kind of war industry is only feasible, if you can compensate it with spoils of war. also, lets face it: hitler could never have held his stuff together for much longer (ideological flaws/economical flaws) if he hadn't started some sort of war... which he did and lost...
so, germany didn't have any staying power, it was a "do it now or fail" situation.
also, contrary to them, the brits and the soviets have great staying power (since they start out in the defensive)
now great britain has never been conquered since the battle of hastings, natural defense being the canal; and the russians were never conquered either... napoleon, germany, they all failed to the survival unfriendly place that is eastern-russia (closely linked to siberia, burn moscow down to deny resources and camp in siberia)
in a battle of material (/attrition), germany can't hold its own. what does it do? blitzkrieg... now that fails under conditions as stated above... so i guess germany could've maybe held its western flank and got a little further into russia, but what it gathers along the way is not enough to save it from collapsing (i mean, look at the sheer conditions (food rations with civilians and front soldiers, fuel and ammunition shortage with soldiers) under which germans were living... british sea blockade?, the germans need some sort of decisive victory or they collapse)
so that's AFAIK... germany would've collapsed even without America speeding up the process
correct me if you think otherwise
well, you have to know that hitler didn't start the war for any rational reason... he's the kind of guy that still gets his hopes up on a newly trained group of child soldiers when his capitol is surroundedGarbad_the_Weak said:
germany was going downhill economically. hitler says he reduced the number of unemployed people by more than half... yea, right, good job just saying the women don't count and sticking some of the male unemployed into the war industries..
he was gearing up for big offense. that kind of war industry is only feasible, if you can compensate it with spoils of war. also, lets face it: hitler could never have held his stuff together for much longer (ideological flaws/economical flaws) if he hadn't started some sort of war... which he did and lost...
so, germany didn't have any staying power, it was a "do it now or fail" situation.
also, contrary to them, the brits and the soviets have great staying power (since they start out in the defensive)
now great britain has never been conquered since the battle of hastings, natural defense being the canal; and the russians were never conquered either... napoleon, germany, they all failed to the survival unfriendly place that is eastern-russia (closely linked to siberia, burn moscow down to deny resources and camp in siberia)
in a battle of material (/attrition), germany can't hold its own. what does it do? blitzkrieg... now that fails under conditions as stated above... so i guess germany could've maybe held its western flank and got a little further into russia, but what it gathers along the way is not enough to save it from collapsing (i mean, look at the sheer conditions (food rations with civilians and front soldiers, fuel and ammunition shortage with soldiers) under which germans were living... british sea blockade?, the germans need some sort of decisive victory or they collapse)
so that's AFAIK... germany would've collapsed even without America speeding up the process
correct me if you think otherwise
Dondrei
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Re: Americans in WW2?
For one thing, William Joseph Blazkowicz II would never have been born and Earth would've been conquered by the Vorticons.
Galabab
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Re: Americans in WW2?
the normandy and stuff happended already after germans got stuck in the vast and cold forests and plains of western asia.
The russians figured out, german attacks mostly followed the same scheme:
Massive breakthrough on the flanks.
SO after 1943 germans couldnt achieve much especially if you consider germany had only like 60million people and soviets had like 4 times as many?
Funny fact:
As Hitler attacked SU it was the greatest tank army ever in history with 6000 tanks on eastern front.
Later when soviets broke through german border they had 30000 tanks
I hope i remember the numbers correctly.
One thing however is quite unclear. The arm and transport vehicle shipments of the US could have been vital for the SU. I somewhere heard the numbers. Like many thousend of trucks and trains. But i never saw a percantage number about what there already was in SU. So if 90% of trucks in SU were US-made its clear that SU alone would have lost, but if that only have been like 5% it would be unimportant.
Anybody have better numbers on the US help?
i agree,
the normandy and stuff happended already after germans got stuck in the vast and cold forests and plains of western asia.
The russians figured out, german attacks mostly followed the same scheme:
Massive breakthrough on the flanks.
SO after 1943 germans couldnt achieve much especially if you consider germany had only like 60million people and soviets had like 4 times as many?
Funny fact:
As Hitler attacked SU it was the greatest tank army ever in history with 6000 tanks on eastern front.
Later when soviets broke through german border they had 30000 tanks
I hope i remember the numbers correctly.
One thing however is quite unclear. The arm and transport vehicle shipments of the US could have been vital for the SU. I somewhere heard the numbers. Like many thousend of trucks and trains. But i never saw a percantage number about what there already was in SU. So if 90% of trucks in SU were US-made its clear that SU alone would have lost, but if that only have been like 5% it would be unimportant.
Anybody have better numbers on the US help?