Americans in WW2?

[PFSS]

Re: Americans in WW2?

True, but the average Scot would rather stick a knife in an Englishman than any other nationality.

So would lots of people, including the English themselves given soaring rates of knife crime in England.

 

[lAmebAdger]

Re: Americans in WW2?

he was using this as a replacement for: "the average scot hates englishmen more than people of a different country." which expresses the anti-english sentiment of scots that persists even though the scots apparently accept the situation because of the circumstances (budget balancing, etc.)

 

[rottenapple]

Re: Americans in WW2?

Well, Galabab. think to yourself the last war Germany won, if Germany the country, not Prussia actually won a war besides the Franco-Prussian war.
Ever since Germany has been ruled by fanatical totalitarian dictators, like Wilhelm II, Von Bismarck, and Hitler who couldn't grasp the fact that militant born Germans aren't the greatest warriors in the world since their sacking of Rome. American's including other allied forces defeated the German in several battles during WWII in the European Theater of Operation. Let's start with Normandy. The great Atlantic wall Germany spent 6 years building to defend against impending threats from the allies fell easily. Then came Carentan and Caen and Cherbourg. Not to mention the liberation of Paris. after which the allies pushed through to Belgium into the Ardennes. There in Bastonge the allies pushed back the last efforts of the Nazis. After successfully taking France the Allies took Belgium, The Netherlands, And Germany in that order. Americans were first into Paris, Antwerp, and into Germany.
If it wasn't for America, everyone would be speaking German right now. And don't give me that crap about the Germans put their worst troops on the west front against the Americans. Need I remind you that America was fighting a two front war against two well militarized countries also.

 

[krischan]

Re: Americans in WW2?

You have no clue about German history. Bismarck wasn't a dictator. He was chancellor and the Kaiser could fire him at any time. He wasn't fanatical, in particular not in the way you describe it, but a typical conservative politician of his times. He was a bit better at diplomacy than the others (which was mostly scheming with respect to affairs between the main powers in Europe), but not any worse than the other conservatives. I'm not saying that he was a flawless democrat and I don't like a couple of things about him as well, but saying that he was a fanatical racist goes a bit too far.

The German Kaisers after 1871 were parts of constitutional monarchies, that's something different than a dictator. I agree that Wilhelm II was incompetent, however.

Germany never was a nation before 1871, it has been a loose federation at best (and not even that after the 30 years war) and only a few medieval Kaisers could make a strong union out of it.

 

[Ash Housewares]

Re: Americans in WW2?

completely mislabeled Bismarck

12 year span where they were ruled by a fanatical dictatorship =/= 75 years

basically everything in your post is stupid, been waiting for one of you "I know about WWII" idiots to amuse me

 

[lAmebAdger]

Re: Americans in WW2?

who couldn't grasp the fact that militant born Germans aren't the greatest warriors in the world since their sacking of Rome.

who is? seriously... talking about greatness of warriors is just leading a discussion to wrong ends..

If it wasn't for America, everyone would be speaking German right now.

you believe that?? europe had a very good chance to prevent that scenario even without america... in fact, some people might say the soviets were much more successful in beating up germany
germany did not have what it takes to go on taking victory after victory. after the war had been dragging on for years and years, the germans were like something you wind up, let loose and then watch as its speed decreases... the resources drop, the army morale drops, the will to go on in the german population drops, everything drops. there was no possible way that they could actually go all the way. the americans coming was just ending the whole thing a considerable amount of time sooner

And don't give me that crap about the Germans put their worst troops on the west front against the Americans. Need I remind you that America was fighting a two front war against two well militarized countries also.

yea, they fought. great. what's your point?

 

[PFSS]

Re: Americans in WW2?

he was using this as a replacement for: "the average scot hates englishmen more than people of a different country." which expresses the anti-english sentiment of scots that persists even though the scots apparently accept the situation because of the circumstances (budget balancing, etc.)

I was lightheartedly pointing out that lots of people aren't keen on the English.

If it wasn't for America, everyone would be speaking German right now. And don't give me that crap about the Germans put their worst troops on the west front against the Americans. Need I remind you that America was fighting a two front war against two well militarized countries also.

Likewise if it wasn't for the British we would all be speaking German, and if it wasn't for the Russians we would all be speaking German. If it wasn't for the Anzac troops there's a decent chance we would all be speaking German. If it wasn't for a few scientists who made it to the US we would all be speaking German. If it wasn't for some cryptographers in Bletchley park we would all be speaking German. That or we would all have ended up in gas chambers.

Nobody can claim all the credit for the defeat of Hitler.

 

[lAmebAdger]

Re: Americans in WW2?

Also, keep in mind that even the unlikely victory of Hitler wouldn't just *fingersnap* be able to convert such masses of different speaking people into german-speakers, given the time until today...

accomplishing such a "mass-reeducation" is a serious logistical and managerial nightmare. it's quite impossible with the resources the Germans had. In fact, it's quite impossible to hold such terrain (of offensively minded people) for any half-century-long amount of time (take a look at the middle-east). I don't know what Hitler was planning to do after his superficial military victory, but it certainly couldn't have been realistic...
his earlier suggestions about being able to turn much of the gotten land into agricultural property and most russians into slaves who work these fields and such bull... completely irrational and over-blown

 

[Garbad_the_Weak]

Re: Americans in WW2?

I don't know what Hitler was planning to do after his superficial military victory, but it certainly couldn't have been realistic...
his earlier suggestions about being able to turn much of the gotten land into agricultural property and most russians into slaves who work these fields and such bull... completely irrational and over-blown

I don't think Hitler felt constrained by the same limits you do. I think his published plans were quite genuine. And he definitely wasn't interested in assimilating the slavs.

*Ahem*

I can't speak for Germany or France, but the English and Scottish parliaments that combined in 1707 to form the Parliament of Great Britain both date back to the 13th century. So... about 3 times as old as the current American nation?

Oh, congrats, but the fact is you still borrowed most of the concepts and even exact language from us.

 

[Tanooki]

Re: Americans in WW2?

"Mass-reeducation" isn't that hard. It just takes some ideologists to band together and become teachers and professors. Then just wait for the old guard to retire, and you've got full control of the next generation.

How do you think we defeated communism only a couple decades ago and now we're embracing socialism?

 

[lAmebAdger]

Re: Americans in WW2?

"Mass-reeducation" isn't that hard. It just takes some ideologists to band together and become teachers and professors. Then just wait for the old guard to retire, and you've got full control of the next generation.

and it also takes a population that is not constantly plotting the next car-bombing of "the leader"

I don't think Hitler felt constrained by the same limits you do. I think his published plans were quite genuine. And he definitely wasn't interested in assimilating the slavs.

yeah, he's a nut, definitely. and merely because of the fact that he wasn't looking to assimilating anyone, he wouldn't be seeking to mass-reeducate everyone to german-speakers...
and also, i didn't say anything about slavs, but about russian slaves, working the fields for their german masters..., again showing what an irrational nut that hitler guy actually is

 

[krischan]

Re: Americans in WW2?

Oh, congrats, but the fact is you still borrowed most of the concepts and even exact language from us.

... which was brought into the US from where ? IIRC the Greek invented e.g. separation of powers while your language, philosophical concepts, culture etc. are from here as well. These "who invented what ?" bragging contests are pretty silly and stupid.

There's no doubt that the US had the first rather modern version of a constitutional state and therefore a significant amount of it went into later constitutions of other countries. When France sent that wonderful statue at the 100th anniversary of the US, it wasn't just because the US beat up their arch-enemy, but probably a sign of gratitude and an expression of affinity as well. AFAIK the French revolution got a couple of inspiration from the earlier revolution in the US.

 

[Garbad_the_Weak]

Re: Americans in WW2?

... which was brought into the US from where ? IIRC the Greek invented e.g. separation of powers while your language, philosophical concepts, culture etc. are from here as well. These "who invented what ?" bragging contests are pretty silly and stupid.

There's no doubt that the US had the first rather modern version of a constitutional state and therefore a significant amount of it went into later constitutions of other countries. When France sent that wonderful statue at the 100th anniversary of the US, it wasn't just because the US beat up their arch-enemy, but probably a sign of gratitude and an expression of affinity as well. AFAIK the French revolution got a couple of inspiration from the earlier revolution in the US.

Post #61. My point was that people will adopt ideologies without being forced to by fear, ala, Iame's theory. My point was you euros adopted US goverment without being compelled to, because it made sense to you.

 

[Ash Housewares]

Re: Americans in WW2?

any of you responding to garbads posts are why this forum is full of fail

he obviously has no clue what he's talking about so quit feeding his inane trolling

 

[Garbad_the_Weak]

Re: Americans in WW2?

any of you responding to garbads posts are why this forum is full of fail

he obviously has no clue what he's talking about so quit feeding his inane trolling

You see the pit, yet walk into it anyhow. Who is the dummy now, screwhead?

 

[Ash Housewares]

Re: Americans in WW2?

these days are my last shot at affecting change before I vanish forever

I can promise I won't miss you garbad

 

[Garbad_the_Weak]

Re: Americans in WW2?

these days are my last shot at affecting change before I vanish forever

I can promise I won't miss you garbad

Truly heartrending. /wave

 

[Tanooki]

Re: Americans in WW2?

Is there forced retirement at 21,000 posts? Or is the crystal getting ready to turn red?

 

[Ash Housewares]

Re: Americans in WW2?

Is there forced retirement at 21,000 posts?

if there was it would've been a long time ago

 

[WildBerry]

Re: Americans in WW2?

So stop hating and admit that your great germans GOT RAPED by soviets.

That is indeed what happened when the Red Army met with German civilians, yes.