Americans in WW2?

[Galabab]

Americans in WW2?

Just can anybody name any significant battle americans/allies won against nazis in ww2?

I know the Soviets pretty much raped nazis at Moscow, Stalingrad and Kursk.
Best german generals were beaten by soviets. Like Paulus, Model, Kluge, von Manstein.
At Moscow alone half a million Nazis were encircled. At Stalingrad like 2 german armies and romanian and italian one were encircled.

So who and where did they allies beat exactly?

I only know bout the Normandy landing but i doubt there was a great nazi force.

 

[Trip]

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I have some reading for you if you have a spare 10 minutes some time.

http://www.ihr.org/news/weber_ww2_may08.html

 

[Garbad_the_Weak]

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I have some reading for you if you have a spare 10 minutes some time.

http://www.ihr.org/news/weber_ww2_may08.html

lol, amateur historians

 

[jmervyn]

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Just can anybody name any significant battle americans/allies won against nazis in ww2?

If you're asking for a huge set-piece battle and a glorious boot-in-face win, there wasn't one that I recall. Instead, there were a number of 'rolling' engagements where the Americans continually triumphed, but that was probably due in part to the disorganized nature of the German opposition. There were numerous smaller victories, such as the invasion of Sicily, the separate battles within Operation Market-Garden, and others.

You have to remember that the Wehrmacht was a battle-hardened, incredibly skilled organization by comparison with the American forces, such that the post-WW2 American Army stole a bunch of conventions and SOP's from the Wehrmacht. On the few occasions that U.S. troops faced larger German forces, particularly ones with concentrations of elite units, they didn't do miraculously well (Kasserine Pass, Battle of the Bulge, Monte Cassino).

I only know bout the Normandy landing but i doubt there was a great nazi force.

There was, including a pair of SS Panzer divisions IIRC, but it wasn't committed against the Allies's invasion forces until later. The so-called "Battle for the Hedgerows" was where it was used, and the subsequent flanking breakout was one of those messy rolling affairs I mentioned earlier.

I have some reading for you if you have a spare 10 minutes some time.

http://www.ihr.org/news/weber_ww2_may08.html

Flagged inaccessible as "hate" here at work... :scratchchin:

 

[Ash Housewares]

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are you asking about the Allies or just Americans

 

[Tanooki]

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There was the whole "developing the nuclear bomb first" and "demonstrating it on Hiroshima". Even if that was the ENTIRE contribution made by American forces, they should still get the credit for ending the war.

 

[Ash Housewares]

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There was the whole "developing the nuclear bomb first" and "demonstrating it on Hiroshima". Even if that was the ENTIRE contribution made by American forces, they should still get the credit for ending the war.

yea, the OP is also focusing on one front and forgetting that the Soviets were able to bring virtually their entire military west without fear of Japanese incursion in the east, anything but nazis and soviets and americans is neglected in this thread

 

[Galabab]

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wow jmervyn thx for that list!

@Tanooki:
japan was done for. The soviets were already on the march. Its widely accepted that thse nukes werent necessary.
Even without soviets japan would have capitulated withing a few months. read up on wiki: Hiroshima bomb.

@Ash:
japanese would not have attacked Soviet union. It would be completly senseless to cut into thousends of miles of siberia it wouldnt hurt the russkies and be more than what imperial forces could afford. They were not ready for a great continental offense.
They already learned the hard way that soviets were superior in land battles already long ago.

 

[vdzele]

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There were numerous smaller victories, such as the invasion of Sicily, ....

Yea …

After 4 years when the war started 1st September 1939, US and British troops finally found Europe land and successfully landed in Sicily. Some cynics say that they had too much sand it their eyes while chasing Desert Fox in Africa and the map of the world was not clear.

Others have told the real truth why they waited sooo long - Kursk battle (july and august 1943) was the breakpoint where they saw The Red Army broke the spin of the Nazis - their pants was full.

The greatest mistake we British did was to think we could play the German Empire against the Russian Empire, and have them bleed one another to death'.

David Stirling, founder of the British SAS

 

[Ash Housewares]

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They already learned the hard way that soviets were superior in land battles already long ago.

superior no, but they had learned it wasn't worth it to try

 

[pancakeman]

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Most of the victories that were purely American were in the Pacific, but we played a key role in a bunch of victores, Monte Cassino and the latter half of the The Bulge come to mind. Sure, we lost heavy casualties in both those engagements, but the Germans suffered as well, and eventually retreated.

Still, I'd have to agree, most of what we did in Europe was not broken up into neat little "battles", rather very lengthy campaigns.

 

[Tanooki]

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I think flagging that site as "hate" simply draws more attention to the fringe point of view. Part of the reason speech should be free is so that people can hear for themselves what the other side really thinks.

Ann Coulter once pointed out she wished more people listened to liberal talk radio.

 

[Johnny]

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There was the whole "developing the nuclear bomb first" and "demonstrating it on Hiroshima". Even if that was the ENTIRE contribution made by American forces, they should still get the credit for ending the war.

You're forgetting Japans defeat in Manchuria.

 

[Garbad_the_Weak]

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japan was done for. The soviets were already on the march. Its widely accepted that thse nukes werent necessary. Even without soviets japan would have capitulated withing a few months. read up on wiki: Hiroshima bomb.

Japan was done for, but they weren't willing to admit it yet. Japan was gearing up for a fight to the end, as they had done in other places. Had the bomb not been used, its certain the war would have continued at a great loss to both sides, potentially even worse than the bomb.

If I were in the position to drop the bomb or order an invasion, I would pull the trigger without hesitation. If I had been a world leader and gotten the bomb before berlin surrendered, berlin would have gotten it. It was just another weapon, and tbh far less destructive than the firebombings that had gone on earlier.

 

[Galabab]

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@Ash:
The japanese suffered a deciesive desfeat by the soviets in Kolkingol or whatever its called. Its like manchuria like Johny said. So you can say they were inferior even back then BEFORE the soviets enrolled their war machine.

@Garbad:
Thats a common argument brought up already by Rooswelt to justify the bomb, but nowadays its considered totally wrong, cuz japanese were willing to capitulate already as they found out Soviets were about to join in. Read up on wiki about the bomb you will see it. The bomb was mostly there to show THE SOVIETS what to expect from a war in the west. However the number of nukes amercia could produce at that time was no way sufficient to be any deciesive.

 

[Rashiminos]

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I know the Soviets pretty much raped nazis at Moscow...

Actually this battle had a significant incompetence element on the part of the German army's winter preparations (or lack thereof). Starting the Barbarossa campaign a little earlier (a week), or with a bit more logistical support (Hitler overrode his generals), and Moscow would most likely have fallen. Holding out through winter months bought valuable time for the Soviet Army, which had been utterly beaten from June to October. Rape is what happened to the Soviets up until this point.

 

[Galabab]

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you can find many excuses but fact is it was a major defeat for the germans. Most severe of the whole war until then. Half a million captured.
You can call this rape lol

 

[Rashiminos]

Re: Americans in WW2?

Major defeat: yes.
Rape: By no means, the Germans had done a lot more than that (3 million by mid October).

It was more like a step towards getting even.

 

[Galabab]

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Im not saying germans didnt rape the soviets before. But at Moscow it defintly was a huge rapin goin on! Why you have a problem admiting it?

 

[Rashiminos]

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It wasn't a rape. The Soviets were not much improved from late June when they were getting it handed to them from Finland to the Black Sea. The Germans were slowed by factors not directly related to combat, thus allowing to Soviets to pile up masses of troops and duke it out in a war of attrition, which favored their greater numbers. This is not a great argument for saying the Russian leadership was superior, only that it got the opportunity to regroup and mount some kind of a resistance. A lot of that was due to the weather.

As far as military leaders and troop quality are concerned, the Germans were generally better.