Alimony-- why pay

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Dirty_Zulu

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Alimony-- why pay

Marie Douglas-David is filing for divorce from her husband of six years, United Technologies chairman George David, and she needs, according to her lawyer, to be kept in the style to which she became accustomed. Her expenses add up to $53,000 per week, the affidavit she filed with the court says, and perhaps because that is a stunning and improbable amount, she and her lawyers broke down the expenses so that everyone can better understand why she needs this:

Mortgage and maintenance fees and rent for the Park Avenue penthouse, the Hamptons retreat and properties in Sweden account for $27,300 a week, according to a financial affidavit she filed with the court. And then there's travel ($8,000), clothing ($4,500), a personal assistant ($2,209), horse care ($1,570), domestic help ($1,480), entertainment and restaurants ($1,500), health and skin care ($1,000), dry cleaning ($650), flowers ($600) and a trainer ($250).
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This is an interesting story.

So a woman should be able to live the life she's accustomed to during the marriage? What does the man get then?

Then the man as part of the divorce settlement should also be able to claim the same. He should get sex from her just like it was during their marriage.
 
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Damascus

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Should a man marry a woman, and then later when they get a divorce just say "bye, have fun"?
 
Garbad_the_Weak

Garbad_the_Weak

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Marriage is fundamentally a contract where the state ****s men over in exchange for socially approving of your sex life. It has no function, and is a terrible deal. Just don't do it.
 
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yes!

when they're done they shouldn't have to know the other exists ever again
 
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PFSS

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Dirty_Zulu said:
This is an interesting story.

So a woman should be able to live the life she's accustomed to during the marriage? What does the man get then?

Then the man as part of the divorce settlement should also be able to claim the same. He should get sex from her just like it was during their marriage.
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Firstly there is no guarantee she will actually get even close to the amount that she is applying for, in high end divorce and child support proceedings it generally seems the idea is to go in high then let the other side argue you down, rather than go in more reasonably and let the other side still argue you down.

Secondly - are you claiming this isn't a term and condition that the husband was aware of when he married her? If he didn't like the terms and conditions offered to him at the time then he shouldn't have entered into the contract, nobody was holding a gun to his head.

Thirdly - men are equally able to sue women for alimony if their wife is the breadwinner.

Fourthly - Ignoring the issues about rape, I wonder how much sex (with his wife) this guy was actually accustomed to in the final year of their marriage.


 
The Sandcat

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The kind of alimony where one ex has to keep up the other's wasteful living style should be banned.It makes golddiggers rich . Child support is the only exception.
Marriage is actually worse than prostitution,with a prostitute you pay for what you get,in marriage you will cough up even if you get nothing anymore.
 
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The Sandcat said:
The kind of alimony where one ex has to keep up the other's wasteful living style should be banned.It makes golddiggers rich . Child support is the only exception.
Marriage is actually worse than prostitution,with a prostitute you pay for what you get,in marriage you will cough up even if you get nothing anymore.
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Yes, because the only reason men marry women is to have sex with them...


 
Garbad_the_Weak

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PFSS said:
Yes, because the only reason men marry women is to have sex with them...
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Marriage is fundamentally about societal approval of sex, and that's a historical fact. Now that many people don't care about society, its just a bad contract.



 
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PFSS

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Garbad_the_Weak said:
Marriage was fundamentally about societal approval of sex, and that's a historical fact. Now that many people don't care about society, its just a bad contract.
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So if you marry someone it will only be to have sex with them?

I think we're also forgetting that the law has developed with 99.99% of the population in mind, who don't blow $50,000 every week. Where in many cases one partner stays home and raises the family while the other works, i.e. while one contributes to the family without gaining valuable skills on the understanding the relationship will continue and the other contributes to the family while gaining valuable work related skills. The law recognizes that the stay-at-home partner frequently provides the working partner with support and assistance in improving their income earning ability and that in many cases the income earner wouldn't be earning as much if it wasn't for the efforts of the stay at home partner.


 
Johnny

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PFSS said:
So if you marry someone it will only be to have sex with them?

I think we're also forgetting that the law has developed with 99.99% of the population in mind, who don't blow $50,000 every week. Where in many cases one partner stays home and raises the family while the other works, i.e. while one contributes to the family without gaining valuable skills on the understanding the relationship will continue and the other contributes to the family while gaining valuable work related skills. The law recognizes that the stay-at-home partner frequently provides the working partner with support and assistance in improving their income earning ability and that in many cases the income earner wouldn't be earning as much if it wasn't for the efforts of the stay at home partner.
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So how did she get by before she was married then? Does every woman go from living at home to her husbands place? Sure they do a lot of work around the house but cooking and cleaning does not increase the income the man makes at work.



 
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PFSS

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Johnny said:
So how did she get by before she was married then? Does every woman go from living at home to her husbands place?
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Here we are getting a long way from the case at hand, which is an exceptional one, but anyway - often she and her husband would have been just starting out, both likely to not exactly be high on their relative careers. If one of them stays at home to raise the family while the other works this means that over the years one will move up in their career while the other will, at best, hold steady. If they previously worked on a skilled trade/profession the chances are that after a few years out their skills will be worthless - so they are taking several steps back while the breadwinner keeps taking steps forward.

Sure they do a lot of work around the house but cooking and cleaning does not increase the income the man makes at work.
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Statistically married men do earn more than their bachelor colleagues. But aside from that, while the cooking and cleaning (which do provide a benefit to the working partner) probably provide a fairly small financial benefit to the working partner you also have to consider that the majority of people who leave the workplace do so when kids arrive. If you care to compare the cost of full time childcare you'll see that the working partner normally gains a significant benefit from having a stay-at-home partner than they would if they had to raise the kids on their own.

I know a couple of couples where both parties have continued to work after having kids relatively young, and essentially the entire wage of one party is eaten up in childcare costs - financially they are in the same immediate position as if one was staying home, but they are keeping at this so they can both progress on their careers. Incidentally - due to comparable earnings these guys are unlikely to be paying alimony if they ever divorce.


 
SaroDarksbane

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PFSS said:
So if you marry someone it will only be to have sex with them?
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I think he's saying that since sex before marriage isn't a big deal anymore, that he sees no reason to get married since societal acceptance was usually a major reason to get hitched in previous times.

I can't really see a reason either, beyond perhaps some legal benefits (if you think they outweigh the legal detriments).



 
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PFSS

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SaroDarksbane said:
I think he's saying that since sex before marriage isn't a big deal anymore, that he sees no reason to get married since societal acceptance was usually a major reason to get hitched in previous times.
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Evidently an extremely large portion of the population are still getting hitched at some point in their lives without this driving reason.

Though also, given the divorce rate, many of them might not be exercising the best judgement when they do so.


 
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Dirty_Zulu

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PFSS said:
Secondly - are you claiming this isn't a term and condition that the husband was aware of when he married her? If he didn't like the terms and conditions offered to him at the time then he shouldn't have entered into the contract, nobody was holding a gun to his head.

Fourthly - Ignoring the issues about rape, I wonder how much sex (with his wife) this guy was actually accustomed to in the final year of their marriage.
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No man accepted this kind of terms and conditions. That's why there are divorce lawyers.

I am just saying if a woman expects to maintain her lifestyle, a man should be able to also.

During marriage, in return for his paycheck the woman cooks, cleans, and provide sex. Then after divorce, a man should be able to expect a meal and sex as part of the divorce. If that's an improbability, then he should he able to deduct the money from the settlement to get a maid and some prostitutes.



 
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stillman

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^Sounds like a good point, at least for the sake of making a point. Of course the real answer is the man should not get sex from her anymore and therefore the woman should cease leeching his paycheck. Even.

I'm not going to contribute much to this thread other than saying: everyone should be forced by law to sign a prenep thingy outlining exaclty how ALL current and future assests are divided in the event of a divorce. Why is this not already part of the law?
 
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Garbad_the_Weak said:
Marriage is fundamentally about societal approval of sex, and that's a historical fact. Now that many people don't care about society, its just a bad contract.
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Facts which are simply facts without evidence are highly suspect. Facts based on history are doubly so.



 
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