Affirmative Action: Had Enough Yet?

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Steel_Avatar

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Dear lord, strike me down. I find myself agreeing with nnndave on something. At least, in the general sense anyways. Oi :p
 
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Underseer

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If you have a black-sounding name, you are 50% less likely to receive callbacks on sent resumes than if you have a white-sounding name. That's assuming all else is equal.

I can guarantee you that being black will cause you to be turned down for more jobs than being white, so stop trying to pretend you're somehow being oppressed. Those kids are just a bunch of whiners complaining that they don't have enough of an unfair advantage in the world.

It's no wonder this country is considering constitutionally-enforced bigotry.
 
Anakha1

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Must... disagree with dave... arghhh!! The sky is PURPLE!! IT'S PURPLE!!!

Underseer: While that's true in certain areas of the U.S., a lot of more "politically correct" bodies have taken equality so far that it's not equal any more. For instance, I'm going into the RCMP in a few years. I have to work twice as hard to get in over someone who's not as qualified as I am because I'm a white male.

Every government job application I've ever taken has had questions pertaining as to whether I'm a minority or not specifically for the purposes of the selective hiring of minorities over non-minorities.
 
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Smelly

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Underseer said:
If you have a black-sounding name, you are 50% less likely to receive callbacks on sent resumes than if you have a white-sounding name. That's assuming all else is equal.
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Forgive my ignorance in this matter, but can you give me some examples of some "black-sounding" names?
 
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Pierrot le Fou

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Kareem
Jameela
etc...

But in order to find your TRUE African name, be sure to visit Louis Farrakhan's African Name Generator...












...my name is Buckwheat.

The reason I agree with nnndave here is because he managed to provide some good links with little stumbling over words in his title and editorializing. More threads like this would be nice, rather than taking a small example and generalizing it to the whole...
 
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Plum

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I'm of the opinion that if private organizations want to offer financial benefits based on factors such as skin colour, it's fine. When it comes to the government or government-sponsored institutions however, "colourblindness" ought to be a necessity. In the case of socioeconomic classes, I feel that discrimation for financial aid to an extent is acceptable (it can be likened to programs such as progressive taxation and whatnot).
 
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Steve_Kow

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What were the black people complaining about? They were getting cookies for 1/2 off!

Underseer said:
If you have a black-sounding name, you are 50% less likely to receive callbacks on sent resumes than if you have a white-sounding name. That's assuming all else is equal.

I can guarantee you that being black will cause you to be turned down for more jobs than being white, so stop trying to pretend you're somehow being oppressed. Those kids are just a bunch of whiners complaining that they don't have enough of an unfair advantage in the world.

It's no wonder this country is considering constitutionally-enforced bigotry.
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Can you offer any proof of your claims? More than your personel guarantee that is.
 
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Damascus

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nnndave said:
Scholarships

Bakesale


Which better way to promote equality? Parodize the liberal's failed attempts at equality!
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You mean rich white kids are upset black people are trying to balance out the system? Stop the presses!

This would make sense, if you already assumed everyone was equal. If people weren't discriminated against, you wouldn't need AA (or bakesales) Someone else said it better

"Those kids are just a bunch of whiners complaining that they don't have enough of an unfair advantage in the world."
 
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Choogy

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Malcolm J...heh

I am actually amused to see the white scholarship...as i apply to colleges, there are TONS of scholarships for minority groups (Which are not a real minority where i live...33% white, 33% black, 33% hispanic)...i mean, Hell, they even have a scholarship for vegetarians...nothing saying white only and few not pertaining to race
 
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zoey

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As a minority, affirmative action is more insulting to me than any racial slur is. Instead of some Klan kiddie calling me the latest racist name for an asian, i get to know that everyone assumes i got into my college, or my job not because i am ABLE TO....but because my skin isn't white.

Anyone who would accept that, has no respect for themselves.
 
nnndave

nnndave

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Damascus said:
You mean rich white kids are upset black people are trying to balance out the system? Stop the presses!

This would make sense, if you already assumed everyone was equal. If people weren't discriminated against, you wouldn't need AA (or bakesales) Someone else said it better

"Those kids are just a bunch of whiners complaining that they don't have enough of an unfair advantage in the world."
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No, I mean white people and black people do NOT have the same opportunities when students are given scholarships or people given jobs because of thier race. This is to see that that doesn't happen. Why should anyone have an advantage? How are black people balancing the system by UNBALANCING the advantages?

Please explain to me how those kids are whining about thier own situations, because I don't see anyone whining, (unless you count black people... who are getting the winning end).
 
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Hippie Holocost

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Here is an example of aff action in the wrong...

My father does some hiring at ExxonMobil. He is given a list of how many white, blacks, females, and so on that he HAS to hire. So if for some reason not a single black person fills out an application then the job must stay open until one comes along. The abilities of the other applicants do not matter.

Underseer here is an example where having a "white name" hurts your job potential.

Sorry I don't have a link for proof, this information comes from word of mouth. If you don't accept it as true fine, but I would rather debate the fairness of the situation rather than the truthfulness...
 
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Damascus

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nnndave said:
No, I mean white people and black people do NOT have the same opportunities when students are given scholarships or people given jobs because of thier race. This is to see that that doesn't happen.
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Shocking, that's the point of AA

Why should anyone have an advantage? How are black people balancing the system by UNBALANCING the advantages?
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Because the system isn't balanced to begin with

Please explain to me how those kids are whining about thier own situations, because I don't see anyone whining
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Everyone sure cried foul when they shut them down. "It's not about race, it's about social class.... which is why blacks got it cheaper"

(unless you count black people... who are getting the winning end).
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That's funny, because racism is good and gone right?
 
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thejdawg2

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nnndave said:
No, I mean white people and black people do NOT have the same opportunities when students are given scholarships or people given jobs because of thier race. This is to see that that doesn't happen. Why should anyone have an advantage? How are black people balancing the system by UNBALANCING the advantages?

Please explain to me how those kids are whining about thier own situations, because I don't see anyone whining, (unless you count black people... who are getting the winning end).
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lol?

From this site:
Black people continue to have twice the unemployment rate of White people, twice the rate of infant mortality, and just over half the proportion of people who attend four years or more of college (see Figure 1). In fact, without affirmative action the percentage of Black students at many selective schools would drop to only 2% of the student body (Bowen & Bok, 1998). This would effectively choke off Black access to top universities and severely restrict progress toward racial equality.
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Cry me a river for being less far on top.
 
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