Absorb vs Dmg Reduction

[Rabbitz]

actually 1.5k spirit is a very good backup vs barbs, and the only way to stand a chance vs good ones.

2: who is going to teleport into clouds that you just "lay out"?

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Uhm, no sry 1.5k will kill a decent barb in 12-14 hits, my poison will do the same in 6

No, that would be the defensive caster situation, I dont just lay them out, I go out and try to surround them...circle around them while closing the gap ( and yes screw them bvcs with leap ofc it wony work as flawlessly then. But I mostly just fight bva/any sorc/most pala/all necros

 

[pedu]

Just tell them to go and die in the hole they crawled from. First of all gangel has no absorb at all. It says +15 max res doesnt it? And if theyre crap enough to be unable to deal with max resistance (not abs) then they should work on their chars more.

Thats exactly why i found it funny. I doubt they were much into pvp... Eventho they knew about the jsp rules. Go figure...

 

[morotsjos]

actually 1.5k spirit is a very good backup vs barbs, and the only way to stand a chance vs good ones.

2: who is going to teleport into clouds that you just "lay out"?

QUOTE]

Uhm, no sry 1.5k will kill a decent barb in 12-14 hits, my poison will do the same in 6

No, that would be the defensive caster situation, I dont just lay them out, I go out and try to surround them...circle around them while closing the gap ( and yes screw them bvcs with leap ofc it wony work as flawlessly then. But I mostly just fight bva/any sorc/most pala/all necros

actually you can double that amount. however, spirits can hit the barb frequently, unlike poison. if you are pure poison nec barb can just telezerk you and basically never get hit. prepared barbs wont go down in 6 novas btw.
anyhow this is just my experience, no pure poison nec has caused any trouble whatsoever, while one psn/bone hybrid were really challenging. of course it might have something to do with him being one of the best d2-players i've ever met, but anyway...

what is chainlock ww and ssbm?

 

[Rabbitz]

actually you can double that amount. however, spirits can hit the barb frequently, unlike poison. if you are pure poison nec barb can just telezerk you and basically never get hit. prepared barbs wont go down in 6 novas btw.
anyhow this is just my experience, no pure poison nec has caused any trouble whatsoever, while one psn/bone hybrid were really challenging. of course it might have something to do with him being one of the best d2-players i've ever met, but anyway...

what is chainlock ww and ssbm?

ssbm is just a gc game

telezerk, guess not, I'm a poison/summoner

 

[Thoridian]

ssbm is just a gc game

telezerk, guess not, I'm a poison/summoner

Then lt wand > u >.>

 

[Rabbitz]

Then lt wand > u >.>

yea, same as dracs/exile on smiters

 

[Ce Olba]

2 ravens isn't enough for some people. A lot of pub duelers out there now carry a whole set of res/sorb gear for every element. Dueled this horrible barb who carried a mule with him to every game and had saphire shield, kiras, 2x ravens, res boots, snowclash, maras, trangs, and a um'd wizzy. This fool I shot for almost 20 minutes in a duel with orber.. didn't do more than half life. I know that you need to res stack/sorb in order to surive, but it shouldn't be considered FAIR to allow limitless sorbing. One abs item + res stack is fine IMO, you have to sacrifice gear and what not and still take some damage :: But multiple items of absorb on top of res stack is impossible to beat without changing your build.

Now. Myself I always use 2 Ravens versus cold sorcs, maybe a TGod versus good Lightning sorcs, Hotspurs vs good fb sorcs. I do not have enough space to store cold stack items in my inventory. I see no point in using 1 raven and 60 cold resistances, since that will limit your damage more than 2x ravens. So I'm actually doing a favour to all cold sorcs, since I use 20% fcr and 2x ravens, so I'm slower, I die quicker. But I like it. Of course, if you insist, I can make it so that I die slower and tele faster, but that makes it too easy, IMO.

And for those people who believe that you should have more than one dimensional chars, look at sorcs and how weak they would be if they didn't synergize their skills. Not to mention you can sorb two elements...

Of course you can, but the hell of it, if Blizzard would make 10k fb's and limit absorb to 10% and negate resistances for fb's, fireball would be too overpowered. I consider it finely balanced now. The most dominating elemental character: Mage, V/T and a good Novamancer. The heck of it, 10k damage over 2 seconds, that's pretty cool. Add max dr, max block and 75 or 125 fcr and you're as good as gg. Unless you start switching mass gears. Someone here already made a huge case about me rather using antidotes than carrying Death's gloves or Gul Andariel's Face. Well, too bad, since I do not have either of those. Guaranteed, I'd love to use 40 fcr, 9k ar and 90% PR versus novamancers, but that's too harsh, IMO.

Also vs. ES sorcs.. openwounds destroys the ones with 95% ES. Because they'll have at most 1.5k life if they go base vita? This most likely means no block as well. If they do block then in one ww pass, you can tag them once for openwounds/poison. Take out 1/3 life in one hit (after u let them bleed), how hard is that?

How about this: the ES sorc has 10x 20/17's, 10x >40 life skillers, absolutely godly gear, max block, 105% fcr, and teles next to you, starts to spam you. You panic, and try to tele away. When you realise that you should rather whirl or Leap, you are already dead. Of course someone like Morotsjos or mcm or luis will start whirling immediately, because they're used to it I bet.

Chainlock ww is also a savage tactic if you miss alot or if you do major damage.

Chain lock ww? You mean Namelock ww's? They are useless versus anything except running crap Bowazons, most others will just get you killed.

In previous posts you BvC vets have said that you don't need any or more than one sorb to beat an opponent. What changed? And if nothing has, then one sorb item should be a fair duel in elemental vs. bvc

Lol? I've kept saying over and over again, that I use 2x Ravens, but if you can give me more stash space, I will gladly start carrying 2x umed wizspikes just for cold sorcs. How's that? I've said it already, dual ravens are the best setup, since they allow you to hit others that have better defense and block than sorcs. Nothing's changed. Stacking versus defensive sorcs is a good tactic, but good defensive sorcs are too rare to be bothered with, IMO. Or you will fight mcm or luis or morotsjos with 8% dr from enigma with any of your casters? I doubt. I think you will try to get max block and 50% DR no matter what, since it's needed. Same with uber-defensive cold sorcs.

 

[PFS]

Firstly I think if you make a build with an obvious weakness then your opponent can quite reasonably exploit that weakness. Expecting someone to weaken their character because you can't beat them under a free gear choice would be like a caster demanding a BvC use Fortitude rather than Enigma and chase them all over the place while the sorc teled about.

Secondly:
Melee
Assume caster defense is very low, assume max block, 1/6 PvP penalty and 50% DR.
the melee will hit 1 in 4 after block, and will do 1/12 of the damage listed on the character window. Averaged over a number of hits and attempted hit the melee character will be averaging 1/48 of his listed damage per attack attempt that was capeable of hitting.

Caster.
Assume 95% Resist (unusually high), 1/6 PvP penalty, hits EVERY attack that is capeable of hitting.
The caster will do 1/60 of their listed damage per attack.

(in neither am I counting attacks that were mis-aimed or done out of range.)

The Melee will do 25% more of his listed damage than the caster, but the caster has MUCH more than 25% more damage than a melee.

Then there is allowing the melee has higher attack rate and more life which goes some way to evening out.

But for 95%resist the melee will have to sacrafice some other gear and plenty of charms, particulary in hell while for good DR the caster does not have to sacrafice that much at all.

 

[jake007]

Now. Myself I always use 2 Ravens versus cold sorcs, maybe a TGod versus good Lightning sorcs, Hotspurs vs good fb sorcs. I do not have enough space to store cold stack items in my inventory. I see no point in using 1 raven and 60 cold resistances, since that will limit your damage more than 2x ravens. So I'm actually doing a favour to all cold sorcs, since I use 20% fcr and 2x ravens, so I'm slower, I die quicker. But I like it. Of course, if you insist, I can make it so that I die slower and tele faster, but that makes it too easy, IMO.

Ce Olba, how often do you get whined at for using 2x Raven on NL? I get it on Ladder all the time.

 

[Ce Olba]

Ce Olba, how often do you get whined at for using 2x Raven on NL? I get it on Ladder all the time.

Every PvM MF Sorc whines. Mostly there are just good people who have no needs to whine over dual ravens. Though, if they start talking bull**** like "clans/ep do not allow dual ravens, 2 abs is bm" I will just say something like "You have your rules, I have mine, I play according to mine, you play according to yours". Usually the sorcs who whine about absorb are the ones who got killed in like 1 whirlwind.

Lately I've not met too many sorcs crying over dual Ravens. But at least once in a month there's gotta be 1 whining sorc, otherwise the end of the world is coming or something's wrong.

 

[Uncle_Mike]

funny thing is that dual ravens are quite often the regular bvc pub setup and are used for a good mix of ar and mana rather than abs, even though it helps vs unexpected blizz attacks. The only situation where I consider dual ravens to be a bit bm is vs orb. Then again it makes you last longer if the orber is very deffensive.

Mike

 

[Ce Olba]

funny thing is that dual ravens are quite often the regular bvc pub setup and are used for a good mix of ar and mana rather than abs, even though it helps vs unexpected blizz attacks. The only situation where I consider dual ravens to be a bit bm is vs orb. Then again it makes you last longer if the orber is very deffensive.

Mike

I do not see dual ravens BM versus any cold sorcs, since good ones get -250 from CM, another -100 from hell penalty, I got 186 cold resistance, so I'm at -100 if the sorc is good. If not, then they can only blame themselves for making a scrappy PvP character. I see no reason how dual ravens are bm when my resistances double their damage. If I had stack, of course I'd use only 1.

 

[Imbecile]

Well the worst part about the "absorb" thing, is that most players cannot understand that there's a big difference between stack and absorb. Whereas the only absorb I ever use, is that on Ravens and that on tgods.

A funny example of EU Javazons, that doesn't script. They stand near the edge of town waiting for an easy victim. I was duelling a mage with heavy foh, so I switch gear to tgods + forti + special rare boots and ring. Then javazon sees I'm strbugged - she might think I was a bvb, so this lvl 96 javazon hostiles me and starts cs'ing me in the back, 2 triangles later, she whines in town about I only duel opponents that I can abs.
Bottomlines if you hostile another dueller, then be prepared to play by their rules.....

 

[atenza]

You guys missed my post (its the last post on page 6) about chainlock tele... It has little to do with lag and gives you more control then just name-whirling an opponent.

And with my BvC who wass not godly equipped, (gear was fine, charms ok) I could still fight elemental chars with a great deal of sucess. When you fight a sorc, its all about dodging and getting that hit in. If you can play super aggresiveness with constant teleporitng (manapots!) then casters become that much easier. Its very hard for them to hit you off screen if you don't run. You can take quite a few hits not to mention you can leap over a lot of attacks. Even with the godliest gear, I can see an ES sorc only having 1.5k-2k life MAX if they have max block. On average if you hit them once per WW, and at lvl 90+ you do over 500 pvp OW damage, that should take about 3 hits to do 1.5k+ damage. Factor in your reduced physical damage + poison, and they're done.

IMO, if its considered BM for casters to never stay within two screens (defensive teleporting), then it should be BM when people make their characters filled with enough res/sorb to never get killed. Thirty minute duels are ridiculous and pointless.

Exploiting people's weaknesses is like kicking some guy in the balls during a fight. If somebody tries to PK your low level in a baal game sure, BM the guy. But when you duel, there should be rules to your behavior/gear. If there's no honor in dueling then you might as well call it war...(lets bust out the haxxxx guys)

 

[ParaDox68]

I'm sorry, but i really don't give a sh*t. If blizzard didn't want me to absorb attacks, they shouldn't have put absorb into the game. I'm just using what is at my disposal.

If i'm in a legit dueling game, i'll just use one piece of % absorb. In pubbies? i want them to not be able to hurt me, because i'm usually fighting 3 or 4 at a time. Tough cookies, quit being a wussy i say.

Dox

 

[stoutewolf]

ep allows 2 ravens vs blizz, dunno what they're talking then hehe

btw ce olba youre nonlad/lad? want to give you a try with fireballer at lad/nl

 

[atenza]

is it wussy to try and change the BM atmosphere of pubbies into GM ones?

If enough people in a game are playing GM, it will be harder for others to play BM without getting attacked for it. (that's how its been in my experience) A lot of the time when you see newb nk'ers (meaning they have no NK skills) guarding someone's body, then its probably cuz they were a ***h*le in the first place.

 

[SicHalo]

Well the worst part about the "absorb" thing, is that most players cannot understand that there's a big difference between stack and absorb. Whereas the only absorb I ever use, is that on Ravens and that on tgods.

A funny example of EU Javazons, that doesn't script. They stand near the edge of town waiting for an easy victim. I was duelling a mage with heavy foh, so I switch gear to tgods + forti + special rare boots and ring. Then javazon sees I'm strbugged - she might think I was a bvb, so this lvl 96 javazon hostiles me and starts cs'ing me in the back, 2 triangles later, she whines in town about I only duel opponents that I can abs.
Bottomlines if you hostile another dueller, then be prepared to play by their rules.....

yeah but ppl have no damn manners they w8 at the edge of town to hit anyone that comes out for an easy kill or the typical one they see u with low hp and start to attack.

I had to start nking a noob javazon for the same reasons yesterday, in a pub with ppl townshooting and other bs.

when i see team fights vs 3 or 2 chars then as far as im concerned any tactic goes apart from healing.

As u said stack and abs is a big difference in most cases, i.e blizz fight it would be much worst to stack vs the blizz than to use 2 pieces of abs, ravens.

Even when u stick on just max res gear there is a problem with ppl

Also about exploiting weakness is generally how u duel, if someone has a flaw in their build or technique u try to use this flaw to ur advantage. Saying this i exclude using max abs or abs to the point of which the attack heals etc cuz i expect someone to mention this.

 

[morotsjos]

IMO, if its considered BM for casters to never stay within two screens (defensive teleporting), then it should be BM when people make their characters filled with enough res/sorb to never get killed. Thirty minute duels are ridiculous and pointless.

thing is, apart from total newbies who dont know what hotkeys are, 99% of sorcs play 100% defensive while still expecting you to die in 2 hits. yawn.

 

[kingdryland]

thing is, apart from total newbies who dont know what hotkeys are, 99% of sorcs play 100% defensive while still expecting you to die in 2 hits. yawn.

And if you don't die, all hell breaks loose.