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Discussion in 'Diablo 2 Community Forum' started by Emerald Dragon, Apr 11, 2005.

  1. Emerald Dragon

    Emerald Dragon IncGamers Member

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    About the PM storage.

    It says you can have a maximum of 5, so if you have say 3 messages and 2 sent messages, does that mean you recieve any more pm's people send you?

    I have been deleting lots of pm's I would rather keep for future reference. Does putting pm's in a folder make them not count towards the max, or is it just putting it somewhere for sorting? Is the max only 5 because of the sheer number of members on this forum, that giving more would cause lag or something?

    Am I wrong about this whole PM storage thing? A max of only 5 pm's seems a little small.
     
  2. krischan

    krischan Europe Trade Moderator

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    Received and sent PMs are added, so if you have 5 of them in total, you can't get any PMs anymore.

    Yes, 5 is rather small. When I joined these forums, the number was 15, but I guess the reduction was one of the measures which had to be taken to reduce server load.

    BTW, (silver ?) pals can have up to 25 PMs in their box.
     
  3. snowieken

    snowieken <img src="http://forums.diabloii.net/images/pal.gi

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    The PM limits are as follows:

    No Pal: 5
    Bronze Pal: 15
    Silver Pal: 25
    Gold Pal: 35
    Platinum Pal: 50
     
  4. Oddity

    Oddity IncGamers Member

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    Yes, 5 total is the limit (including sent and received), just one of the ways they "encourage" users to upgrade to Pal status.. :rolleyes:
     
  5. snowieken

    snowieken <img src="http://forums.diabloii.net/images/pal.gi

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    I'm not sure if I like those quotation marks and that rolling eyes smilie. What is that supposed to mean? Is there anything wrong with granting benefits to Pals? After all, I'm putting real money in this site, in order to keep it alive. And that is just a tiny portion of what some other people are paying for it.

    I'm sorry, but how do you think you can post for free on these forums? Have you got the slightest idea of the costs for keeping this place alive?
     
  6. Elly

    Elly Administrator

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    No, it's a storage thing. We can't limit PMs for people who are donating to the site. That would just be off.

    Emerald Dragon, There are a number of formats you can download your PMs in if you want to keep them. The options are in that drop down box at the foot of your listed PMs. I've always downloaded mine in txt format and never had any problem with that format.
     
  7. Oddity

    Oddity IncGamers Member

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    That's quite alright if you didn't like them - I didn't put them there to make people like me. 'Course, I didn't put them there to make people dislike me, either. *shrug*

    I'm quite aware that there is some cost to maintaining a message board, and I may be speaking out of ignorance, but I wonder if limiting PM's to this degree is really necessary. I am registered and an active poster at many forums, and this is only one of two that charge users to get a reasonable amount of PM's - all the others don't, and they seem to be doing fine.

    To me, based on my experience, I have an inclination that the site would survive just fine with 20 max pm's per member, they are I imagine very small files, just html documents right?

    5 pm's is very hard to work with, very annoying.

    I don't resent you for donating to the site - if I stay here long enough, I may very well do that too. But as a new member, it feels like it is a ploy to encourage people to donate, if only to receive reasonable PM storage space.

    But the words of one user don't really mean much, so this will just get flamed. :uhhuh:
     
  8. snowieken

    snowieken <img src="http://forums.diabloii.net/images/pal.gi

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    I was going to send you a PM about this, since I like to handle discussions that way, but right on time I realized that would be quite ironic. So here we go... :)
    No offence, but what's with the personal approach all of a sudden? I never said anything about your person, I was just reacting to how you were expressing yourself there.
    The site would indeed survive just fine with 20 max PM's per member, but it would die if no one donated. For your information, the object of Pal donation is not to "charge people for a reasonable amount of PM's". Its intention is to generate money for the site, provided by people who donate on a voluntary basis. And yes, one of the rewards these people get is an extension of their PM storage limit. And yes, it would be silly and naive for me to claim that no one is paying only because they like to enjoy these benefits. But that's not really the point here.

    You still haven't answered my main question: in what way is it bad to promise rewards to people who donate? Of course PM's don't cost the site anything compared to these hundreds of posts written every day. If PM storage had a significant cost, it would be hardly beneficial to waste all that newly donated money on increasing the limits. In that sense, we are definately not being "charged for a reasonable amount of PM's", trust me.

    In some manner I have to give you credit: 5 PM's is indeed quite little to work with. But as Elly already pointed out, there is a very easy interface to save them to your hard drive. It just calls for a little more management, that's all.
    Nah. You haven't seen any flaming yet here. ;)
     
  9. Oddity

    Oddity IncGamers Member

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    I assumed that it would become personal, so I took the assertive approach, and shut it down before it went there...too much battle.net I guess. My bad, you're right. :)

    Without more information, I'm hesitant to agree with you...it may not die, but we would indeed lose priviledges. It may mean resorting to Infinite Ads, and nobody wants that.

    But I will agree that donations are important to keeping the site the way we enjoy it.

    Indeed, it's intention is to raise money for the site (to cover server costs I imagine), and it would be interesting to poll Pal's anonymously, and see why they decided to upgrade. Was it because they wanted to support the site, or was it because they wanted the functionality that they didn't yet have?

    I think it's closer to the point than you think, if enough people are playing simply to enjoy the benefits...but I don't think there's really any feasible way to prove that.

    I suppose choice is words is important when dealing with these types of issues. What you call "donate", I call "purchase". It's simply your outlook that determines your attitude, in a way.

    There is nothing wrong with delivering goods to users who purchase them.

    With that being true, why not raise the PM limit for all users, not just Pal's? It almost seems that we both agree it would not be that much of a hinderance.

    I spend a third of my day at school, and I have to use the lab's computers...the idea of saving the PM's to the local computer and then emailing them to my home computer and then deleting them off the local computer sounds like too much work. Oh well. I've simply adopted a minimalist approach to my PM's.

    I'm going home now, wee.
     
  10. snowieken

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    Why can't you just save your PM's at your home computer in the evening? Unless, of course, you are a terrifically social newcomer who already gets more than 5 PM's during the first third of the day. :wink2:

    Anyway, let's call it a night indeed - I'm off to bed. It's an interesting discussion though, we might continue it tomorrow morning.
     
  11. Georgemofo

    Georgemofo IncGamers Member

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    I love forum arguments.

    Breaking posts down into nice, easy-to-address segments, looking for flaws in those segments, and proceeding to tear open those flaws as if they were contained as their own separate posts.

    It's so more interesting than traditional RL arguments, where both sides usually end up readressing the same points over and over, unless it's a formal debate.

    Don't complain about this though. I've seen more desperate attempts for cash elsewhere. Mostly in free games, though.
     
  12. Oddity

    Oddity IncGamers Member

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    I would crumble in a formal debate, as I have no experience with it.

    As b.net's love to say, I would get owned. :D

    edit: Re: PM's, I actually do most of my trading/PM stuff at school, when I'm at home I'm usually playing d2 instead of posting on the forums. :)
     
  13. Georgemofo

    Georgemofo IncGamers Member

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    More bnet people would prefer to say something like this:

    "Lol u got pwned wtf u looser. u has shiny armor. u got ne frees?"

    At which point they are owned with the staff of literacy.

    They learn the lesson that lack of grammar and spelling equals no frees.

    Sorry for the rant.
     
  14. Oddity

    Oddity IncGamers Member

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    Let it all out, my son...

    Let the hatred flow through you, as though you were a conduit...

    Yes, yes...that is the way...embrace it!
     
  15. TurbulentTurtle

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    All of you should just calm down, the initial problem has been answered, and we do not require any more information about the topic.

    Just know that the donations from Pals help keep this site up, and the PM storage isn't that much help to it, it's just one of the perks. Most people just donate to have a snazzy icon next to their name, and to know that they have helped to keep this site up for a lot longer.
     
  16. Gorny

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    Yeah, but that sort of behavior irks us mods the wrong way.
     
  17. Gaza0469

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    80,000 members at RPGforums - with 5 PMs thats 400,000 PMs stored away.

    Imagine 15 - that would be 1.2 million PMs and would be a waste of server storage and bandwidth. I think 5 is fine - check around the other forums out there most of them dont even let you have PMs.

    Besides donating to become a Pal is very cheap - it helps pay for server costs and it helps to provide the most useful information in a timely manner.


    Why did I donate --

    (1) every 100 posts costs money - anyone with more than 1,000 posts should definately be signing up as a bronze pal. Who pays for all this ? Rush and Elly its not really fair that they pay for us to all have convos on here, so my first reason was to give something back to them for providing these forums.

    (2) To support the site! Lets face it RPGforums is 100% better than any of the other ones in terms of useful info - heaps of the mods here work around the clock getting data in. There really is heaps of work that goes into maintaining the site, especially with new patches etc.

    (3) To get the silver pal symbol! It just looks mad :) I would pay for just that alone LOL

    (4) No banners! , Can have more PM's, faster loading, customize backgrounds, rate polls, setup polls - heaps of toys for hardly any $$$.

    ;)

    Being a Pal hardly costs anything - and you are supporting something really good here!!
     
  18. Georgemofo

    Georgemofo IncGamers Member

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    Wait, what?

    Maybe I'm missing something, I didn't think I said anything offensive.

    I was joking, of course. I haven't really seen any behavior of that type on B.net.
     

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