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A windy vs hammer analysis

Discussion in 'PvP' started by JohnnyDeppadin, Apr 15, 2005.

  1. JohnnyDeppadin

    JohnnyDeppadin Banned

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    A windy vs hammer analysis

    Recently played a WIndy Druid with my Near perfect Hammerdin.
    hammerdin lvl 93, with 4541 life after Bo.
    He claimed to have 6000 life.
    he also claimed wolfs block hammers.....

    what i want to know is we dueled 10 times.....he won 10-0
    i never saw myself do dmg to him..even when i desync or tele'd on him
    is there such thing as a "god" hack or do i just suck? 6k life can tank hammers.......

    i do 14k
    i did however ask him to prove he didnt have the hack...he let me hi him with aura once....i did roughly 2/5 dmg.....can u turn off hack real fast?
     
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    sheepe2004 IncGamers Member

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    wolves do block hammers
     
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    HandofElysium IncGamers Member

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    Due to the minion stack bug its hard to name lock let alone hit him with a hammer before getting a tornado to death.

    Also always go for oak before attacking the druid as a standard stratagy of dueling them.
     
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    you hammers dont actually do 14k dmng cuz theres a pvp penalty so its perfectly ressonable that he can take a hammer or 3
     
  5. JohnnyDeppadin

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    i realize pvp dmg penalty, my question is when i name lock tele and kill the sage and a few minions...he is standing there unscathed.... so a hammerdin cannot beat a good druid? i was charge/hammering occasionally also...no effect. and is there such thing as god hack? ive heard random accusations of it...as far as im concerned no such thing exists.
     
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    Competent druids will always be near-impossible for hammerdins. Minion stacking makes it possible for them to tele on top of you and kill you without a scratch even if you spam like crazy. Your best bet is to keep charging around while casting hammers, that way he wont catch you at least.
     
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    Windies can easily have 6-7k life. Windies can easily tank 2-3 hammers. Wolves do block hammers.

    This is why Windies don't use Bear vs. Hammerdins, Wolves allow a Windie to take 5 hits before you actually damage him; it is very difficult to kill a good Windie even if you are better.

    Best thing to do is constantly charge to avoid his Tornados, randomizing casting your hammers. You want him to make the mistake of r/w instead of teleing so confuse him.
     
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    while a windy does have the upperhand, its not a completely one sided duel.

    desynced hammers change the duel completely, much in the favor of the hammerdin.

    i.e. druid is teleing after a hammerdin and lands in a field of 5 inv. hammers, bam minions gone, possibly a hit taken (w/o oak its alot).

    it really all depends on if they windy can keep minions up and if they hammerdin can aviod being hit and attacking when minoiins are down ( or playing 100% charge+ spam around windy).
     
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    Funny, I somewhat do well with my hammerdin against windies i fought so far. I just tele around them, casting hammer, and targetting summons one at a time. Then, with his summons down I tele in when he stops to recast cyclone armor or minions then its done. But those nados will hurt if you tele in a bit late or early. It's all about experience.
     
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    why the hell would they recast cyclone armor...

    druid can easily recast summons by placing nados around them as they recast.

    if you beat druids with soley tele+hammer, you are dueling horrible windys.

    only effective way to beat windsy on a hammerdin is the use of desync, with possibly tele hammers at critical moments.
     
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    I have never had trouble with windies before. just this one, but im a perfectionist so even one would tarnish my "record". while i did desync, if they are defensive and tele away to recast minions or dont give chase like an idiot then the battle is lost (for the hammerdin?). I have never lost a single duel b4 this one and i would like to know y i lost. i am currently in the process of building a windy (to better know my adversary or join them if the cause is hopless) anyone have druid ele charms +life on uswest ladder?
     
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    He wont get hit by 5 hammers at once unless he screw up, hence there is plenty of time to recast. But I agree that desynch is the only way to stand a chance vs good druids.
     
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    make a hammer with the fastest fcr bp, tele around and surprise him, you cast so fast sometimes the druid dont have time to react
     
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    i have switch gear that hits 125 fcr bp, thats about it on fastest, but they seem to still be able to catch up (they just tele on you) while u have to worry about wolfs soaking hits so u cant really "trade hits"
     
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    i personally think hammerdin is one of the worst PK'ers

    my druid beats 90% of hammers, only being hit by the occaisonal stray hammer

    and yes he has 6.3k life, and i have seen ppl with over 7k
     
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    Hammerdins are very good when played by competent people. You cant hit a hammerdin who stays desynched 99% of the duel, and you WILL get hit by ibh sooner or later, it's inevitable.

    You cant judge hammerdins based on their performance vs druids.
    Any non-retarded druidplayer can kill 90% of all hammerdins easy with a ghettodruid. With 5 wolves you can outtank any hammerdin simply by teleporting on top of them and spam away, something that's suicide for any other char. With your 6k+ life druid you should almost never lose vs hammerdins if you just keep recasting wolves. Even ibh cant harm you.
     
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    Sorry to be a little OT but thats when you need to get a duel wielding barb. I got my barb at a decent level this weekend just to try out grief/beast zerker duel wielding setup. It is so much easier on a barb to take out a wind druid. If the wind druid doesn't have a stormshield I'm able to take them out in one whirl.
     
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    Dont joke, barbs have to try real hard to lose vs windies, especially with grief+beast. I demand reset NOW =)

    Did you rebuild your barb btw? What's his stats (i.e. life/ar/def/dex for maxblock)?
     
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    I have like 3800 life with no bo switch. This is at level 76 where i have about 100 plus stats saved. What is the min strength I need to wear fort so I can do a little bvb? I only have 15 stat anni at the moment. I also socketed my storm shield with a rare 30ed 8 strength 7 resist all -15 requirement jewel.
    My AR with duel ravens is like 6k and dex is low as I only put 10 extra points in it but I will eventually go with max block.

    This morning before I went to work I dueled this zealot I killed him like 10-0 to the point of frustration. He couldn't understand why I was able to hit him while he isn't hitting me even with his BOTD zerker. He finally killed me once with my 23 dr :) then continue to naked me. Then I just got my T/V and nk and stole his gold and then left. :p
     
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    Lmao. You killed him with beast or storm?

    Dont know about str for fort. When you can equip all gear without enigma you have enough =)
    Your ar seems quite low, whats the numbers with enchant and/or angelics?
    Also, what charms are you using? Life scs?
     

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