A three part draft?

A three part draft?

Uncle Jimbo said:
Military Matters
11/19/2006 5:25 pm
Hate to agree with Charlie Rangel, but let's have a draft

On Veteran's Day I said we need a National Service Draft and have heard some excellent commentary pro and con. The main con seems to be that we would dilute the quality of our current all-volunteer force. That is a fair and prudent worry, but one that we can fairly easily overcome. But my question to all would be, since there is an obvious need for common defense, why would the default be that not all should share that burden? Shouldn't national service be the norm?

This isn't a call to lower standards, but an infusion of more talent into the mix. While the current make up of our military out performs it's civilian counterparts, significant numbers of very talented youngsters could seize the opportunity and strengthen the services overall. Plus most of us are well aware of the ability of military service and camaraderie to enable under performers to turn themselves around. Some would fail, and that would need to be dealt with. But many more would succeed and many more would them bring the values of military duty to their civilian life, or at least an understanding of it.

I, suggested two paths of service, a military or a Peace Corps option, but maybe a three headed one instead. Military for those who want it and cam meet the standards, a Peace Corps for those who want that and can meet the standards, and an Americorps style one for the rest.

The military is already able to deal with physically and mentally testing, classifying and training large numbers of raw recruits. Drawing from a larger pool would only help, and overall quality of the troops produced should increase. An expeditionary Peace Corps would offer young folks with a humanitarian bent the opportunity to actually make the world a better place. We spend bazillions of dollars on foreign aid that mostly aids the bank accounts of the corrupt scum bags who run the vast majority of countries worldwide. We should condition any aid and it's implementation on the presence and project control of this Peace Corps. A large complaint is always that we do little to improve our image abroad, well legions of fresh-faced young Americans building bridges, digging wells and immunizing kids couldn't hurt. An Americorps would take those who didn't qualify or desire one of the other options a chance to make things better here at home and the chance to earn their way up the food chain.

We should look at this initial service as a qualifier for the myriad benefits of life in America. Those who choose to make the military a career would have the knowledge that all of their fellow citizens have shared the load. Successful completion of national service would, be a requirement to enjoy the, many benefits including money for college, tax benefits, home loans etc. Right now most Americans feel entitled to their status as the highest-living hogs in history. Shouldn't we all earn that?
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Makes sense to me. Either kill people and break things, go overseas and help people or stay at home and help people. Any of the options are good and will help today's youth (to steal a line from the Army):
The strength to get yourself over...
The strength to get over yourself...

The only thing I'd modify is the Americorps part. It shouldn't be just for helping in America. It needs to also be for those, such as myself, that due to some medical reason are unfit for active service but otherwise are warriors too. I'd have been more than happy to build and blow stuff up as an engineer. It's what I chose as my MOS. So instead of being on the front lines building under fire I'd have been made a REMF, building the infrastructure for a successful logistics program. Just as long as nobody called me Sir. Dammit I work for a living.:laugh:
 

Dondrei

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I might support a draft if it were being used to bolster defence forces in a time of crisis. Instead of, you know, attack forces.

*EDIT*

Heh, great minds think alike.
 

Stoutwood

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If someone doesn't want to waste 4 years of their life in the military, I'm not going to force them to.
 

Dondrei

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And when these Peacecorps start getting blown up? Terrorists don't seem to make a distinction between americans with guns, and those with building tools.
That's not true, the ones with building tools are a much easier target. And taking them out hurts us a lot more than taking out our soldiers.



 

PatMaGroin

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If my home (and by home I mean country) faced a clear and direct threat, then I would have no problem with being drafted.

But this talk of a draft is complete bull****. I know I for one don't really give a damn whats happening in the Middle East. Well, I care, but not enough to disrupt anything about my personal life.

I've actually considered enlisting in the Navy as a Nuclear Engineer before (took the test and everything), but decided 6 years was a long contract to sign, so its not as if I just can't stand the thought of serving in the armed forces.
 

Stoutwood

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Well, I might end up having to join to pay for med school no matter what. I could look back on being military medical personnel with pride at least.

Still, I hate drafts. No one should be forced to fight for something they don't believe in.

I've actually considered enlisting in the Navy as a Nuclear Engineer before (took the test and everything), but decided 6 years was a long contract to sign, so its not as if I just can't stand the thought of serving in the armed forces.
You probably made the best decision of your life. All of the ex-Nuke Techs I know hated it with a fiery passion.



 

Dondrei

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I'm currently waiting to see if the Defence Sciences Institute is going to offer me a position, don't know if I'll take it if they do. I kind of wanted to get out of research, and the idea of working in the public sector isn't appealing.
 

PatMaGroin

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Well I spoke to a few people who did nuke in the Navy who were recruited by power plants and all that, and were paid quite a bit.

I've hated every job I've ever had with a burning passion from hell, the only solace I find is the money I earn. I will be perfectly happy in life working a job I hate that pays good money.

People say that's not true, but for me, its not the job I hate, its the fact that I have to work at all.
 

Savage

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I wouldn't mind if Australia had a law similar to the one suggested, personally I'd join the Peacecorps and I'd feel pretty good about doing it. I'm adventurous and I love physical activity. The thing I wouldn't like is having to serve with assholes who resent their mandatory service and retards who can't tie their shoelaces but are trained to kill with a gun.

I think in theory it's a good idea, but then I think about how various nations would react to the US sending them tens of thousands of its 18 to 24 year olds.
 

HAMC8112

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I vote yes!

Just because i had to join the army when i was a young man. I pitty them youngsters though should it really happen.
 
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