A Poor Mans MFer

Fux0r

Diabloii.Net Member
A Poor Mans MFer

This Guide is for people who have some gear but not much. It is very simple and easy to follow. The Poor Mans Mfer is a Necromancer. The Necro can survive Hell with less gear then any other build and is skilled in doing Pit Runs, Pindle Runs, Meph Runs, Diablo Runs, Baal Runs. Actually, he can pretty much handle anything with the exception of the Glacial Trial (the bodies tend to shatter to ice cubes,) and the High Council (the summons are distracted by the monsters in the water.)

Critical Mercenary Information:
Before getting started with the Necro build read this first. The build requires a strong mercenary. I suggest an Act 2 Combat Merc for Normal, and switch to an Act 2 Offensive Merc in NM.

Skill Tree:

20 Skeleton Mastery
20 Skeletons
20 Blood Golem *Please see notation at bottom
20 Golem Mastery
1 Summon Resist
1 Revive
1 Amplify Damage
1 Life Tap
1 Corpse Explosion

Stats:

Strength: Enough to wear your gear
Dexterity: Enough to wear your gear
Vitality: All remaining Stats will go here
Energy: Around 50 without gear equipped

Gear:

Helmet: One with skill adds and MF is ideal (i.e. Tarnems or Shako)
Ammy 1: anything with Summon Skills and/or MF (skills take priority over MF here)
Ammy 2: Teleport Charges
Weapon: Arm of King Leoric
Armor: Skin of the Vipermagi, Que-hans Wisdom, or Skulders Ire
Shield: Rhyme, Lidless Wall, or Homunculus
Gloves: Magefists, Frostburns, or Chance Guard
Rings: Nagel Ring Rings
Belt: Goldwrap
Boots: A pair with MF, Cow Kings, or Travelers are great

Merc Gear:

Helmet: Vampire Gaze, or Tal-rashs Helm
Armor: The highest Defense armor you can find or Shaft Stop
Weapon: The best Polearm Weapon you can find. Hawinns works all right, Bonehew Amn Hel works great.


Suggestion:

If you really like this build try these items on him latter he will be a PvM God, I calculated them all with Skeles in comparison to other weapons.

Helmet: Shako Socketed P Topaz
Ammy: 3 Summoning Skills + MF (magical ammy)
Weapon: Beast (rune word)
Armor: Enigma (rune word) Wyrmhide
Shield: Homunculus (Isted)
Gloves: Chance Guard
Rings: SOJ + Natures Peace**Please see notation at bottom
Belt: Arachnid
Boots: War Travelers or Marrow Walks (you choose MF or Dmg)
Charms: Annilus, Gheeds, Summon Skill Charms

Mercenary Gear:

Helmet: Andies Socketed with Tal rune
Armor: Bramble (rune word)
Weapon: Ethereal Doom (rune word) Giant Thresher

Notations:

*I know that that Blood Golem IM combo doesn't work anymore. The reason I used Blood Golem was that my PCs low virtual memory created lag like effects almost all the time. The Blood Golem kept me alive. If you have a fast PC, then you may want to use different skills other then Blood Golem and Golem Mastery

**The Rest in Peace Mod doesn't actually work unless you kill the monster yourself (i.e. Corpse Explosion) The level 5 Oak Sage is a nice thing to have in your army and usually stays well defended.
 

jmprockstar

Diabloii.Net Member
Fux0r said:
Gear:

Helmet: One with skill adds and MF is ideal (i.e. Tarnems or Shako)
Ammy 1: anything with Summon Skills and/or MF (skills take priority over MF here)
Ammy 2: Teleport Charges
Weapon: Arm of King Leoric
Armor: Skin of the Vipermagi, Que-hans Wisdom, or Skulders Ire
Shield: Rhyme, Lidless Wall, or Homunculus
Gloves: Magefists, Frostburns, or Chance Guard
Rings: Nagel Ring Rings
Belt: Goldwrap
Boots: A pair with MF, Cow Kings, or Travelers are great

Merc Gear:

Helmet: Vampire Gaze, or Tal-rashs Helm
Armor: The highest Defense armor you can find or Shaft Stop
Weapon: The best Polearm Weapon you can find. Hawinns works all right, Bonehew Amn Hel works great.

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I dispute that this is a real poor man's MFer, especially the reference to the Shako. Is that a joke? It may be poor by your standards, but the only cheap items you have above are Goldwrap, Cow King boots, and maybe the Tarn. Crap Nagels (<20MF) are easy to get, I suppose, but you don't make that clear. Rhyme requires a Shael, which isn't that easy to get a hold of, since everyone needs a Shael for something. This requries a lucky drop.

A cheap MFer is something like:

Helm: Perfect Topaz (preferably 3) or Tarn
Armor: Sigon's
Shield: Sigon's
Boots: Sigon's (now you get the 50% MF)
Belt: Goldwrap
Weapon: Gravenspine, Spineripper
Gloves: Crap Chancies
Rings: Crap Nagels, or Rings of Luck (+mana, life, cast rate, resistances)
Ammy: Ammy of Luck (+skills, like said before, but also maybe resistances)

Charms: Any small or large charm with +MF, preferably with a good second mod.

Merc Gear:

Helm: Peasant Crown, Undead Crown, Rockstopper
Armor: Rockfleece, Ironpelt
Weapon: The Meat Scraper (prefered: has MF) or Battlebranch

This actually resembles my Summoner when I started using him for MF. It has worked for me.

Alternative could be all the above except:

Shield: Rhyme (if get a lucky Shael) in Bone/Grim Shield
Boots: Cow Kings
Armor: Skin of Vipermagi (if get a good Baal drop)

The second is the richer of the poor but hardly rich.
 

tl998

Banned
I'm getting very sick of people who have no idea what 'poor' and 'rich' are. Arm of king leoric is basically the best weapon any skelemancer can hope for. This is like suggestion that a 'poor' hammerdin go mf with a HOTO flail. Grow a brain. When you started your first chars, did you have skulders, que-hagans, shakos, Bramble, Doom, etc? Next he's going to tell us that poor barbs can do well with BoTD. This thread was good for a cheap laugh tho.

In conclusion, I can ONLY deduce one of two things:

1) The author is kidding and is making a lame joke
2) The author was completely drunk off his BUTT (or high on drugs) when he made this post.
 

HarbingersOfSouls

Diabloii.Net Member
Fux0r said:
This Guide is for people who have some gear but not much. It is very simple and easy to follow. The Poor Mans Mfer is a Necromancer. The Necro can survive Hell with less gear then any other build and is skilled in doing Pit Runs, Pindle Runs, Meph Runs, Diablo Runs, Baal Runs. Actually, he can pretty much handle anything with the exception of the Glacial Trial (the bodies tend to shatter to ice cubes,) and the High Council (the summons are distracted by the monsters in the water.)

Critical Mercenary Information:
Before getting started with the Necro build read this first. The build requires a strong mercenary. I suggest an Act 2 Combat Merc for Normal, and switch to an Act 2 Offensive Merc in NM.

Skill Tree:

20 Skeleton Mastery
20 Skeletons
20 Blood Golem *Please see notation at bottom
20 Golem Mastery
1 Summon Resist
1 Revive
1 Amplify Damage
1 Life Tap
1 Corpse Explosion

Stats:

Strength: Enough to wear your gear
Dexterity: Enough to wear your gear
Vitality: All remaining Stats will go here
Energy: Around 50 without gear equipped

Gear:

Helmet: One with skill adds and MF is ideal (i.e. Tarnems or Shako)
Ammy 1: anything with Summon Skills and/or MF (skills take priority over MF here)
Ammy 2: Teleport Charges
Weapon: Arm of King Leoric
Armor: Skin of the Vipermagi, Que-hans Wisdom, or Skulders Ire
Shield: Rhyme, Lidless Wall, or Homunculus
Gloves: Magefists, Frostburns, or Chance Guard
Rings: Nagel Ring Rings
Belt: Goldwrap
Boots: A pair with MF, Cow Kings, or Travelers are great

Merc Gear:

Helmet: Vampire Gaze, or Tal-rashs Helm
Armor: The highest Defense armor you can find or Shaft Stop
Weapon: The best Polearm Weapon you can find. Hawinns works all right, Bonehew Amn Hel works great.


Suggestion:

If you really like this build try these items on him latter he will be a PvM God, I calculated them all with Skeles in comparison to other weapons.

Helmet: Shako Socketed P Topaz
Ammy: 3 Summoning Skills + MF (magical ammy)
Weapon: Beast (rune word)
Armor: Enigma (rune word) Wyrmhide
Shield: Homunculus (Isted)
Gloves: Chance Guard
Rings: SOJ + Natures Peace**Please see notation at bottom
Belt: Arachnid
Boots: War Travelers or Marrow Walks (you choose MF or Dmg)
Charms: Annilus, Gheeds, Summon Skill Charms

Mercenary Gear:

Helmet: Andies Socketed with Tal rune
Armor: Bramble (rune word)
Weapon: Ethereal Doom (rune word) Giant Thresher

Notations:

*I know that that Blood Golem IM combo doesn't work anymore. The reason I used Blood Golem was that my PCs low virtual memory created lag like effects almost all the time. The Blood Golem kept me alive. If you have a fast PC, then you may want to use different skills other then Blood Golem and Golem Mastery

**The Rest in Peace Mod doesn't actually work unless you kill the monster yourself (i.e. Corpse Explosion) The level 5 Oak Sage is a nice thing to have in your army and usually stays well defended.

Sorry, but I wouldn't call the equipment a "poor man's".

Need to think like a total noob(or starting on ladder for the first time), and you have nothing.

When you start mfing, it usually 3 topaz helm, 4 topaz, and so on.

Though build wise, I can agree on.

HoSv2
 

Fux0r

Diabloii.Net Member
The guide isn't called First MFer for one thing. In reference to the suggestion, that is an items list to refer to after your MFer is so poor anymore. I thought that was made clear.

I said in the beginning of the guide, "For a player that has somethings but not alot."

Alternatives are given with the expensive items, and this was the second character I made on the ladder after my fire sorc. Mabey you should refer to my guide "From Rags to Riches." This guide, my druid guide, and that guide all go hand in hand. Anyways, its only a guide. If your really so new at this that you can't get these items then mabey you should try improvising?

Jesus, you try to help people and all they do is *****.
 

tl998

Banned
Your 'guides' needto be more clear. If you're confusing this many people something must be wrong. And I don't see you listing alternatives ALL of the equipment slots. Guides can't really assume that the reader will just magically have all the items listed, and need to provide alternatives for every slot. Still, your title is -very- misleading no matter what. People come into this thread, expeting tips on mfing when they're DIRT POOR, in other words, when they're new. I mean, if you already have shako, skulders, arm of king leoric etc by the time you make this 'poor man' mf build, WHY BOTHER? You obviously already have a a working MF character before (your sorc, for example).
 

HarbingersOfSouls

Diabloii.Net Member
Fux0r said:
The guide isn't called First MFer for one thing. In reference to the suggestion, that is an items list to refer to after your MFer is so poor anymore. I thought that was made clear.

I said in the beginning of the guide, "For a player that has somethings but not alot."

Alternatives are given with the expensive items, and this was the second character I made on the ladder after my fire sorc. Mabey you should refer to my guide "From Rags to Riches." This guide, my druid guide, and that guide all go hand in hand. Anyways, its only a guide. If your really so new at this that you can't get these items then mabey you should try improvising?

Jesus, you try to help people and all they do is *****.

Maybe you should be ALOT cleared then.....and pull your head outta your @zz. If you can't take people questioning your guide, the go back to the drood forum and post it there.

Jesus, you make a comment on a noob guide, and all they do is cry like a *****

HoSv2
 

tl998

Banned
HarbingersOfSouls said:
Maybe you should be ALOT cleared then.....and pull your head outta your @zz. If you can't take people questioning your guide, the go back to the drood forum and post it there.

Jesus, you make a comment on a noob guide, and all they do is cry like a *****

HoSv2
Ok I shouldn't be laughing when I read that..bit I did. It was strangely satisfying for some odd reason.
 

HarbingersOfSouls

Diabloii.Net Member
tl998 said:
I'm getting very sick of people who have no idea what 'poor' and 'rich' are. Arm of king leoric is basically the best weapon any skelemancer can hope for. This is like suggestion that a 'poor' hammerdin go mf with a HOTO flail. Grow a brain. When you started your first chars, did you have skulders, que-hagans, shakos, Bramble, Doom, etc? Next he's going to tell us that poor barbs can do well with BoTD. This thread was good for a cheap laugh tho.

In conclusion, I can ONLY deduce one of two things:

1) The author is kidding and is making a lame joke
2) The author was completely drunk off his BUTT (or high on drugs) when he made this post.
3) The author wants to bring much humor and :drink: to MM.
4) Will get worse comments than mine from other fellow Necro Vets( I could name a few)
5)If Blood Golem is only one that he can use(due to cpu speed), then Gumby would lag him with his slowness.
6) Has brought humor to an otherwise slow night.
7) Made me want to go to sleep now(and turn over in my grave)

*Names a few Fellow Necro Vets(by request)
**And in no particular order

Mad Mantis :drink: (my drinking buddy)
TheFatty (My Homie)
Beatboxer (My Homie...and lives in my city)
LyteHammer(my RoadDawg...(5) 16+ hours days)
(Almost everyone the posts in the UsWest ladder post)
Any Necro Vet with common sense.

HoSv2
 

Mad Mantis

D2/3 Necromancer & Witch Doctor Moderator
Some questions. Why not use Amp? What is u with the Golem? He needs an awful lot of points. If you want safety you can distribute these many different ways and be safer and faster than you are now.



tl998 said:
I'm getting very sick of people who have no idea what 'poor' and 'rich' are.
Same here. Poor = No items. None. Only what you find in drops. The fact that a build, besides a theme build, needs certain equipment makes it a failed build IMO.




HarbingersOfSouls said:
3) The author wants to bring much humor and :drink: to MM.

7) Made me want to go to sleep now(and turn over in my grave)
3) That is one goal I can support. Care to join me HoS? :drink: :buddies:

7) Whenever I turn over in my Grave my back rubs against the stone covering the grave. :grrr: I need to get this fixed.
 

jmprockstar

Diabloii.Net Member
Fux0r said:
The guide isn't called First MFer for one thing. In reference to the suggestion, that is an items list to refer to after your MFer is so poor anymore. I thought that was made clear.

I said in the beginning of the guide, "For a player that has somethings but not alot."

Alternatives are given with the expensive items, and this was the second character I made on the ladder after my fire sorc. Mabey you should refer to my guide "From Rags to Riches." This guide, my druid guide, and that guide all go hand in hand. Anyways, its only a guide. If your really so new at this that you can't get these items then mabey you should try improvising?

Jesus, you try to help people and all they do is *****.

Fux0r:

I thought the point of posting builds was for us to consider them, critique them, and give you an opportunity to post it again later taking into consideration the criticism presented. Respond to the criticism. It's not helpful for anyone to whine about how others disagree with you. Your response reminds me of a cat bringing a dead rat to the feet of its owner and appearing upset when the owner flings the corpose out the window.

What you gave us wasn't a perfect beginner's MF build; arguably, it was not a "poor man's" MFer but a "middle class man's" MFer, someone who us lucked out on some good items, traded for some MF items, but hasn't quite gotten all the great items one needs for solid MF. That actually better suits the description you quote yourself as saying, "For a player who has somethings [sic] but not alot [sic]." But, in D2X, being poor is not having "somethings" but having NOTHING. The fact that we ALL noticed this should indicate to you that there are some problems that you should recognize and correct.

This is a good idea for a build, since it meets a demand for many new players who need a plan about how to build ladder characters. To that extent, you are doing a good thing here. To the extent that you believe you have finished your task, you are kidding yourself.

I would have liked to see the other guides you cited as making you an authority on this matter, but you do not link them. It would have been helpful for us to see if you do better work elsewhere. Perhaps in the Druid Forum (which I occassion) you have greater status and respect, since the number of regular posters there is so much smaller; you know what they say about big fish in a small pond. Here, it seems, there are a lot of people who have strong friendships held together by years of playing together; it's not as easy to impress them. Their experience at least matches, although it likely exceeds, your own; respect that.

I'm not one of these experience people (you will know them by their use of these two smilies: :buddies: :drink: ), and it was still obvious that this build needs improvements. If that makes me or any other respondent ungrateful in your eyes, then don't respond to us; it will do us all a favor. However, if you merely disagree with us, then explain your views. Everyone here put some time into our own responses, you would do well to do us the same courtesy.
 

Mad Mantis

D2/3 Necromancer & Witch Doctor Moderator
jmprockstar said:
Everyone here put some time into our own responses, you would do well to do us the same courtesy.
Sig worthy. :thumbsup:



Care for a pint? :drink:
 

HarbingersOfSouls

Diabloii.Net Member
jmprockstar said:
Fux0r:

I thought the point of posting builds was for us to consider them, critique them, and give you an opportunity to post it again later taking into consideration the criticism presented. Respond to the criticism. It's not helpful for anyone to whine about how others disagree with you. Your response reminds me of a cat bringing a dead rat to the feet of its owner and appearing upset when the owner flings the corpose out the window.

What you gave us wasn't a perfect beginner's MF build; arguably, it was not a "poor man's" MFer but a "middle class man's" MFer, someone who us lucked out on some good items, traded for some MF items, but hasn't quite gotten all the great items one needs for solid MF. That actually better suits the description you quote yourself as saying, "For a player who has somethings [sic] but not alot [sic]." But, in D2X, being poor is not having "somethings" but having NOTHING. The fact that we ALL noticed this should indicate to you that there are some problems that you should recognize and correct.

This is a good idea for a build, since it meets a demand for many new players who need a plan about how to build ladder characters. To that extent, you are doing a good thing here. To the extent that you believe you have finished your task, you are kidding yourself.

I would have liked to see the other guides you cited as making you an authority on this matter, but you do not link them. It would have been helpful for us to see if you do better work elsewhere. Perhaps in the Druid Forum (which I occassion) you have greater status and respect, since the number of regular posters there is so much smaller; you know what they say about big fish in a small pond. Here, it seems, there are a lot of people who have strong friendships held together by years of playing together; it's not as easy to impress them. Their experience at least matches, although it likely exceeds, your own; respect that.

I'm not one of these experience people (you will know them by their use of these two smilies: :buddies: :drink: ), and it was still obvious that this build needs improvements. If that makes me or any other respondent ungrateful in your eyes, then don't respond to us; it will do us all a favor. However, if you merely disagree with us, then explain your views. Everyone here put some time into our own responses, you would do well to do us the same courtesy.
He should feel like: A little worm on a big F~~~ing hook.

I agreed to his build for the most part...but he kinda had a temper tantum when he didn't like something he read. Like I said in my first post, need to try to put yourself into a noobs(or even starting on the ladder) shoes....when he has nothing and needs help just to learn how to play.

But, his response was something that a Romper Room reject(maybe alot before most people's time...but ask the parent's about Romper Room) would do though.

Anyway, jmprockstar...when MM offers you a pint...never turn him down :drink: :buddies:

HoSv2
 

jmprockstar

Diabloii.Net Member
HarbingersOfSouls said:
He should feel like: A little worm on a big F~~~ing hook.

I agreed to his build for the most part...but he kinda had a temper tantum when he didn't like something he read. Like I said in my first post, need to try to put yourself into a noobs(or even starting on the ladder) shoes....when he has nothing and needs help just to learn how to play.

But, his response was something that a Romper Room reject(maybe alot before most people's time...but ask the parent's about Romper Room) would do though.

Anyway, jmprockstar...when MM offers you a pint...never turn him down :drink: :buddies:

HoSv2
You're right to say that one who would build a poor man's guide to MF ought to include an assumption that many of the poor are also new to the game, and so, should make no assumptions about gameplay, such as what gear on which character (in this case, the Necromancer) and where to look. Even so, I still believe the items he list are even too expensive for a noob or a poor man.

And I still think FuX0r has a great idea in making this build. I would have benefited from it, had it been around when I started playing 1.10 ladder. It just has a lot of room for improvement. :) If he won't make one, I'll make one.


I didn't realize the standing Mad Mantis had! In that case, I'm honored!

:buddies:
 

HarbingersOfSouls

Diabloii.Net Member
jmprockstar said:
You're right to say that one who would build a poor man's guide to MF ought to include an assumption that many of the poor are also new to the game, and so, should make no assumptions about gameplay, such as what gear on which character (in this case, the Necromancer) and where to look. Even so, I still believe the items he list are even too expensive for a noob or a poor man.

And I still think FuX0r has a great idea in making this build. I would have benefited from it, had it been around when I started playing 1.10 ladder. It just has a lot of room for improvement. :) If he won't make one, I'll make one.


I didn't realize the standing Mad Mantis had! In that case, I'm honored!

:buddies:

It's basically the build I had when I started ladder. And did really well as a mfer also(using the perfect topaz helm and armor)


HoSv2
 

FattyMcGee

Diabloii.Net Member
drink up fellas :drink:



Oh and since this is my second week on 1.10 bnet and I'm making my first mfer, let me go grab out my ethereal DOOM giant thresher and tal's andy's visage and Bramble armor TO PUT ON MY MERCENARY!


Honestly fuxor, It's nice of you to try to make a guide, but what poor man has all that crap to put on his mercenary? May I ask you, what is the RICH man's mercenary's gear???


You need to relable your guide, or your thread, or change all your gear, or something. It's all very misleading.

--fatty (recovering from Girl Scout cookies :buddies: )
 

Pallidum

Diabloii.Net Member
I don't know man, it seems to me the original poster has a right to feel a little annoyed. I mean, here's a guy who's just trying to help people by typing what he thought was "relatively" cheap mf gear. He listed items and strategies, and he probably put a good half and hour-hour in typing all that up. I liked the presentation with the use of colors and footnotes.

And whats the first response he got? A post with "grow a brain", and "your guide is a lame joke." I mean cmon, constructive criticism is one thing, downright flaming is another.

Anyway, nice guide, maybe you can substitute some gears around for the really poor who can only afford wealth armor and topaz helm, etc.
 
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