7 year old dies protecting his sister from a rapist.

[lAmebAdger]

lol

fair enough XD

i too constantly get the willies when any new and weird war possibilities sprout from technology...
i mean people should have done the biggest part of all their pant-wetting when the nuclear bomb first became known... but i guess now we've moved on

 

[HegemonKhan]

sorry for double post again....err...nvm...my longer post allowed some one else to post before me

speaking about countries actually being ABLE to have moral superiority or inferiority is just plain wrong XP

that's over-generalization again, the only way i can see a country's moral standings be better than that of others is if that country performs morally better NOW in the present where it counts!

buddhist monks, ARE quite more peaceful and moral than the rest of humans...

u can completely classify countries-peoples-groups in terms of morality and peacefulness.

however, "country/state" is a fictious entity. a country/state is simply a (large) group of people. 99% of those people make up the "citisens, civilians, serfs, peasants, peons, masses, the people" and 1% of those people make up the government and military.
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iamebadger:

i mean people should have done the biggest part of all their pant-wetting when the nuclear bomb first became known... but i guess now we've moved on

HK (me):

let me say this and see what u make of it:

playing "god" with a lifeless and unchanging atom (nuclear power) is one thing.....

playing "god" with a living and changing-adapting and "thinking" DNA molecules (genetic engineering) is quite another thing........

i fear "zombies" and "mutants" and "super humans" far more than nuclear power. nuclear power and the atom aren't living breathing adapting changing thinking enemies, whereas genetic engineering and "zombies, mutants, super humans" are......

quarks are the most inferrior/LEAST powerful of all

particles are even more inferior/less powerful

atoms are inferior/less powerful

DNA is superior/more powerful

the (human) brain is most superior/powerful thing in the universe

and if you're religious, than "God" is superior of all, even more than the (human) brain

messing with DNA, is far more serious and deadly than an atom.

machines-robots can/are interchangible with organic lifeforms (DNA) in this thought process that i presented.
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P.S.

if anyone is interested and people don't mind, i can really diss "God" and his presumed power

oh who cares (well i don't ), i'll do it anyways right now:

it's amusing that in "God's" omnificient and omnipotent power and ability, that he could only create the inferior, simple, and primative quark.

whereas, DNA (which evolved from that simple quark all on it's own, without "God's" help besides "God's" initial creation of the quark) in the human being it created, is able to have the same power of "God" himself and manipulate and change both the inorganic universe and the organic lifeforms, and even create superior "beings" like robots-machines or super humans, and eventually this will create an even more powerful "God" being, than "God" himself

"master" is detroyed by his own "creations"

human "masters" will be destroyed by their robots-machines or super humans "creations"

"God" "master" too will be destroyed by his quark "creation", as it evolves and evolves, eventually surpassing "God" himself in power and ability, and destroying him as all "creations" do to their "masters".

 

[lAmebAdger]

you're people's argument about moral standings i agree with, but i can see some people here (squints at garbad) who'd like to ignore it and generalize on to countries...

i also fear genetics getting out of hand, but rather i fear the ethical no-no-areas which might be entered into: for example: by making life and changing life we degrade the sanctity of life to mere objects... and that also opens up other ethical taboos...

i doubt it'll come as far as the X-men stories depict it XD

 

[HegemonKhan]

eventually x-men could be a reality, i do hope that we are truly far away from it.....

though i wouldn't mind rogue or psylocke or even storm and mystique or.... jean grey *grins* (though i'd certainly not want the x-MEN...i would NOT want to compete with wolverine YIKES and cyclops for jean grey.... )

 

[lAmebAdger]

lolz, we are SOOO far away from x-men it's not even dream-worthy,... heck even cloning still needs to be tweaked a LOT... and genetic engineering needs much more than tweaking, it needs to first make the jump over that fence of impossibilities it currently faces and will face for at least another decade...

but yes, it's a possibility in the distant future...

 

[lAmebAdger]

EDIT: forum lagging out on me... double posted out of accident...

 

[HegemonKhan]

lolz, we are SOOO far away from x-men it's not even dream-worthy,... heck even cloning still needs to be tweaked a LOT... and genetic engineering needs much more than tweaking, it needs to first make the jump over that fence of impossibilities it currently faces and will face for at least another decade...

but yes, it's a possibility in the distant future...

i don't know...an EAR sticking out from on a mouse's back..seems to be "pretty" close.

also, taking into account the EXPONENTIAL rate of discoveries and new sciences/abilities/techonologies......

i mean it took how long to go from radio to tv a computer, and than compare that with how rapid our new computers and technology and sciences and abilities are flying out... at least a car lasts ~5-10 years and the new cars aren't "too" much different from the old cars, but with computers.....like every day u need to buy a new computer, it's that excellerated technological progress...

this EXPOTENTIAL increasing RATE of scientific growth/progress is what makes me the most fearful. i mean if the rate was constant, than i'm sure all this horrorific sci-fi stuff hopefully should happen long after i'm dead. but with the rate EXPONENTIALLY growing faster and faster... we could literally have full terminators, mutants, zombies, super humans, X-men, etc... in 5 years....

i don't think any human comprehends just how fast our RATE of making discoveries is growing out of control.

i mean it toook us like many thousands of years to discovery such a simple thing as the "wheel" yet, now we are poping out more and more advanced stuff in a shorter and shorter amount of time (especially, computers, and to a lesser extent genetic engineering).

 

[lAmebAdger]

yes, technological advancement is getting a bit scary, if you look at it over time

i don't think we'll reach the scale of friggin x-men within the next 50 years, i mean:

-controlling weather (woot, try finding evidence of weather influencing biological single-body organisms in all of earth's history)

-shooting laser out of the eyes (uh... i think we'll go through a 123123 failed tests and people who can't survive due to exhaustion (the energy their bodies are expelling) ) before we reach THAT)

- metal claws withdrawable from the knuckle bones: believe me if i say that the genetical engineering area will accomplish this about 1000 years after the bionics area already did...

-pysichic power: find a way to magnify/create that without ruining the biological stability of the body that it needs to survive... same as with cyclops

-controlling and magnifying fire: excuse me? how?

 

[HegemonKhan]

maybe/probably NOT to that extent of the super powers of the x-men, but possibly their "mutant-ness".

their super powers are quite another totally separate matter.....(as u pointed out)

i'm talking about just the genetic engineering and much more reasonable mutant "powers", from genetic engineering.

 

[Dondrei]

Was at war for almost its entire existence, expanding aggressively. Admittedly, they were pretty benevolent conquerors who raised the standard of living in their subjects and eventually made them full citizens, but they still took what they wanted by force and killed those who resisted. The US took what we wanted by contract, and let you govern yourselves (for the most part).

Your history is faulty, the Roman Republic gained very little of its territory via conquest. They took Africa Province and Hispania after beating back Hannibal - they weren't the aggressor in that war, they just took over Carthage to stop it attacking them again, and Spain because the Carthaginians had abandoned it. Then they had to take the French province to secure trade routes to Spain from Gaulish raiders. They were given Egypt by treaty (dirty dealings aside) and several Anatolian provinces by invitation (and aggression from Mithridates). Plus some land they took from defeated pirates.

The Senate hated taking new territory, they considered it an unholy expense. They even tried twice to get the Macedonians to take their territory back by setting up governments for them, that's how much they wanted to be rid of them. It wasn't until Caesar took Gaul that Rome properly conquered new territory (and even then, it began in response to allied Gaulish tribes requesting their help against German invaders). And that was really the death of the Republic and start of the Empire.

The Republic just prior to becoming the Empire was very much like America today. Hint, hint.

Still far more exploitative than the US.

I dunno, at least they abolished slavery.

It means this -- despite what people say about how its culture, happiness, and so on that matter they don't. What matters in terms of national survival and strength is money, military, political will....not cultural wellness, feeling happy with yourselves, etc. If the cold war proved anything, it proved that you compete economically or you die.

Did Russia magically cease to exist? It just sucks, that's all. And Russia always sucked.

We had/have unqualified military supremacy (especially in 1945-50) and did not invade/subjugate other nations, unlike every other example in history.

Well, bear in mind that in addition to unqualified it's also unchallenged and untested. You've spent most of the last century picking fights with some of the poorest people on earth. And still losing half the time. Basically your military supremacy is simply assumed because you're so rich.

Its about the fact that the US has enjoy a position as unchecked superpower for the last 60 years, and has done more to promote/improve the liberty, safety, and standard of living for the entire world than any other superpower in the history of the world, including each of your euro empires.

Like... what? You mean because you keep talking about it? Saying the words "democracy" and "freedom" every five seconds doesn't actually accomplish anything.

I can only assume you aren't talking about your foreign policy because that'd be just plain funny.

No, looks pretty mild tbh. But again, I didn't say the US was perfectly beneficent; I said we were better than you, or any other superpower in history. Meddling in Iran/Iraq is quite mild compared to subjugating a couple of continents.

Although when you take over a country you maintain security and build infrastructure and so on so you can capitalise on your investment. Whereas you guys just tend to chuck a bunch of bombs at random targets and then run away and pray the bad guys are dealt with.

 

[lAmebAdger]

another pointless textathon...

XD

 

[Dondrei]

Welcome to the forum.

 

[HegemonKhan]

.... i thought it was interesting and full of value (NO sarcasm).... V.V ......

 

[lAmebAdger]

it was an insider joke, ignore it, HegemonKahn

of course i don't seriously want to degrade a thread i participated in

 

[HegemonKhan]

my bad........

(hey it's a miracle, i actually made a short post!!!! so short i had to add those .... 's)

5 characters and 1 space. there's a minimum word count and my post was too short!!!! so i added the ..... 's, lol !!!

 

[stillman]

Still too long, Hege. The audience is everything.

 

[lAmebAdger]

and my post was too short!!!!

Still too long, Hege.

uhuh :scratchchin:

 

[krischan]

i actually made a short post!!!!

Less can be more, you should really try to avoid typing less of what just comes to your mind and produce more developed postings I rarely read through all of your postings, I admit.

 

[lAmebAdger]

Less can be more, you should really try to avoid typing less of what just comes to your mind and produce more developed postings I rarely read through all of your postings, I admit.

"...you should really try to avoid typing _ what just comes to..."

or "...you should really _type less of what comes to..."

*ends nitpicking*

tips:
i think you can try to not slap too much info into one post, post the core and hold the info ready for your responses

also: i think having an affinity to explaining everything from beginning to end, albeit not all too clearly, is not a bad trait.. stick with it if you ever end up teaching

 

[jmervyn]

I've got bad habits from the GW OTF now, since you can't post multi-part answers and instead must stuff every response into a marathon wall o'text.

As I recall the only question was if the USA used its "leverage" to meddle in affairs that were not initially theirs. I'm afraid the country has a rather bad track record in that, and if staying passive is supposed to be a sign of moral (and god knows why cultural) superiority than the USA is certainly not in that front line.

Vietnam was an existing ally suffering aggression from Chinese- and Soviet-backed "rebels". They were led by Ho Chi Minh who, despite legitimate anti-colonial claims against France and attempts to gain support from America, was a committed member of the ComIntern and ally of Mao. You continue to fail in spectacular fashion.

Since you value passivity, you must think Neville Chamberlain is the greatest. As for moral and cultural superiority, America is not only in the front line but is the obvious leader by a massive margin. Sure, other countries might excel in certain points, and America surely has some skeletons in the closet. But when size and international dependency are factored in, nobody else even comes close. There's a reason that the USSR was both feared and despised, while the American founding documents have been used as models for most of the modern civilized world.

I didn't exactly see the Czechs begging for their invasion. :whistling: