7 year old dies protecting his sister from a rapist.

[HegemonKhan]

sorry for double post, but wanted to separate this as it is separate from my other post

Garbad really exaggerates americas contribution to the second world war. You might have made the biggest effort in bringing up your few exploits (as is your right. After all, the second world war was the last time you got to play the good guys) but your effort was in context small (about 12% of the total german forces engaged).

this, i do agree with, with u johnny (even though i didn't yet read his, garbad's, posts about america and WW2), as i am a history buff as well as a science buff.

america did NOT win ww2 and save europe !!!!!

the entire world should thank the russians (and even russian females. they fought against hitler-germany as well. some really good female snipers russians have, i'm sure if they were male, they'd have gotten/allowed more engagement in the war and probably rack up more kills than the male snipers).
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links about top russian female sniper (if interested):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyudmila_Pavlichenko

err.. i can't find better sources at the moment... oh well...

best sources: read history books or military records
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the U.S. comes in at the last moment ("D-Day"), when hitler and germany is/has already lost, and the world foolishly gives us, the U.S., credit.....please stop this foolishness, and give the credit to who it belongs, THE RUSSIANS !!!!!!

 

[MinusDII]

The world does not give you (USA) full credit, less well educated Americans give Americans full credit.

Not that your (USA) contribution is not important and us Europeans should be thankfull, after all the war in Europe was half the world away.

And you did pretty much defeat the Japanese all on your own.

 

[Garbad_the_Weak]

Garbad really exaggerates americas contribution to the second world war. You might have made the biggest effort in bringing up your few exploits (as is your right. After all, the second world war was the last time you got to play the good guys) but your effort was in context small (about 12% of the total german forces engaged).

What? The only time I mentioned WWII was mentioning churchill. The Russians bore the brunt in WW2.

Linky:
http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6996183#post6996183

 

[Johnny]

You don't have permission to agree with me Hege. You are not welcome in camp Johnny. That's what the barbed wire and machine guns are for. To keep you away.

 

[HegemonKhan]

The world does not give you (USA) full credit, less well educated Americans give Americans full credit.

Not that your (USA) contribution is not important and us Europeans should be thankfull, after all the war in Europe was half the world away.

And you did pretty much defeat the Japanese all on your own.

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"And you did pretty much defeat the Japanese all on your own." -minusDII

nope, "we" (americans) didn't defeat the japanese.... (our) 2 nukes did

 

[HegemonKhan]

sorry for double post again... (i still don't know how or understand how to do this multi-person quote ability/function everyone else is able to use correctly)

You don't have permission to agree with me Hege. You are not welcome in camp Johnny. That's what the barbed wire and machine guns are for. To keep you away.

fair enough

though, i don't need permission to who i agree or disagree with... V.V

though i do like to agree with those who are right and disagree with those who are wrong. in this case (in my view) you were/are right and garbad was/is wrong.

and... barbed wire and machine guns...only worked in PRE-tank and flight days

 

[jmervyn]

The "fight communism and we will give you money" program. oh yeah no hidden agenda there.

That's pure carp and I'm sorry you don't realize it (to say nothing of who fought communism on whose behalf). I won't deny that <later> it took on an anti-commie flavah, but the program initially even offered aid to the Soviets.

 

[sevencreature]

HegemonKhan: Science, natural sciences especially, at its base should be exact and concise. Not full of double meanings, diversions and ballast. If you claim to be scientist, you should post appropriately :wink: I don't mean it as a criticism, more like an advice :crazyeyes: I don't know in what area do you work or study, but I don't think your last posts would be appreciated in (for example) Chemistry thesis... (eh, that was reaction to those posts about fires).

nope, "we" (americans) didn't defeat the japanese.... (our) 2 nukes did

Well, actually, I don't think those nukes were necessary to win the war (US would win even without any nukes)... More like a bonus I guess.

 

[HegemonKhan]

HegemonKhan: Science, natural sciences especially, at its base should be exact and concise. Not full of double meanings, diversions and ballast. If you claim to be scientist, you should post appropriately :wink: I don't mean it as a criticism, more like an advice :crazyeyes: I don't know in what area do you work or study, but I don't think your last posts would be appreciated in (for example) Chemistry thesis... (eh, that was reaction to those posts about fires).


Well, actually, I don't think those nukes were necessary to win the war (US would win even without any nukes)... More like a bonus I guess.

i'm still a college student, half due to frequently dropping out, so i definately do not practice science, nor do i want to, science and math classes, were/are boring to me (the work u have to do anyways), even though i exceled at them (well, i did excel at math, until i hit calculus). as u can see, I LOVE to THINK. i don't like doing labs....so boring...and after reaching calculus and doing math in science (chemistry equations) and having difficulty, made math and science very unappealing as carreer choices for me. i still have no idea what i wanna do, and still haven't even taken the basic classes yet....

i know i should be concerned at being so far behind...but i'm like...i got my entire life to find a job to do and than i'm gonna be doing that job the rest of my life or near it anyways, so i don't feel a need to panic or rush, at least right now. getting old is awful....ya, i get to work for the rest of my life...how wonderful....(sarcasm)....of course finding something u enjoy would be the great...but like 90% of people do NOT enjoy what they do for work for the rest of their life.
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grammer and english (writing) abilities is NOT science.... V.V
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what's incorrect about the fire stuff? if u can show that i'm wrong, please do so (since i know i'm right. i know science and chemistry quite well. i love making a bet when i know i'll win or have already won it. i'm not much of a risk taker, lol)

(hopefully) americans would still have won against the japanese (though i'm not certain of that), but anyways, even if we could still win, it would mean much more casualities (ON BOTH SIDES. more death without the 2 nukes than with them, even if that sounds strange, its true), due to americans timeless IN-ability to fight AGIANST geurrila war (americans are quite good AT fighting geurilla warfare, eh britain? U.S.'s independence and formation) and the japanese's "code of honor" and "to the death" fighting behavior.

however, is/has ANYONE good AGIANST geurrilla warfare ????? (no instance that i can think of off the top of my head)

if anyone can point out a success in history against guerrila warfare, i'd lvoe to know about it, as i love history

 

[Garbad_the_Weak]

if anyone can point out a success in history against guerrila warfare, i'd lvoe to know about it, as i love history

There are plenty of successful examples of eliminating insurgency. The problem isn't know how, its that we don't have the stomach to be as brutal as it would take.

From Wiki:

Unsuccessful guerrilla campaigns

* Caucasian War 1817–1864
* Abd al-Qadir in Algeria 1830-1847
* Taiping Rebellion in Qing China 1850-1864
* Polish uprising 1863-1865
* Second Boer War 1899-1902
* Ukrainian nationalist partisans and guerrillas during and after the Russian Civil War
* Makhnovist anarchists and guerrillas in Ukraine after the Russian Civil War
* Basmachi rebels in Soviet Central Asia 1916-1931
* Tambov Rebellion in Soviet Russia 1919-1921
* Irish Civil War 1922-23
* IRA S-Plan campaign 1939-1941 Northern Campaign (IRA) 1942-1944 Border Campaign (IRA) 1956-62
* Spanish Maquis after the Spanish Civil War
* Polish resistance movement 1939-1944, unsuccessful until USSR liberation from German occupation
* Greek Civil War
* Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) 1944-1949
* Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania 1944-1965, Forest Brothers
* Malayan Emergency
* Karen National Liberation Army in Burma
* Mau Mau Uprising
* Peshmerga forces of Kurdistan
* Philippine American War 1899-1902
* Italian guerrilla war in Ethiopia 1941-1943
* Nazi German Werwolf movement 1945
* Tibet 1958-1974, resistance against Chinese occupation ultimately failed when American Central Intelligence Agency withdrew its support in context of President Richard Nixon's diplomatic overtures to the People's Republic of China
* Thailand 1964-1982 Communist Party of Thailand (CPT). It suffered major setbacks in late 1970s and an amnesty was granted by the Thai government to all of its fighters in 1982, ending a long rebellion that once had much of rural areas under control.
* Uruguay 1965-1973, the Tupamaros were suppressed by the army forces that later took power
* Argentina 1969-1981 Montoneros and ERP were suppressed by security forces around 1977
* Dominican Republic US forces suppressed Dominican guerrillas
* El Salvador Due to the Treaty
* Polisario Front in Western Sahara
* Second Sudanese Civil War 1983-2005
* Parrari in Pakistan
* Balochistan Liberation Army
* Kachin Independent Army in Burma
* Internal conflict in Peru - insurgencies led by two rival Marxist guerrilla groups, the Shining Path and Túpac Amaru Revolutionary Movement from 1981-2000
* Armed Islamic Group (GIA) in Algeria with genocide cleaning acsusing against civil people that didn't follows their extremist vision, interpretation of islam.

 

[Amra]

grammer and english (writing) abilities is NOT science....

Regardless, you may want to take some of those classes sometime. No offense but it's been said before. :whistling:

 

[HegemonKhan]

that's true, when u allow for brutality, okay.....stupid question of me

i shoulda known better, my politics, as you probably ahve seen in my posts, IS brutality..

for example:

how i would deal with the middle east: i'd nuke the middle east into an "eastern meditterean sea".
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Originally Posted by HegemonKhan
grammer and english (writing) abilities is NOT science....

Regardless, you may want to take some of those classes sometime. No offense but it's been said before.

HK (me):

i took an english class jsut recently and got an A ...i'm still trying to figure this out... i know the mysterious of the universe (physics) pretty well, but i can't figure out how/why i got an A in english class
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i DO write a bit better when i have to, like when it's "professional" (or in this case an academic class for a grade).

the thing is writing "professionally" is a "process" as they (english classes) love to say. rough draft after rough draft after draft after draft...........i'm certainlly not gonna do that much work for posting.... V.V

 

[sevencreature]

HegemonKhan: Speaking about english - I don't think your problem is grammar (well, I cannot judge it anyway, as a rather mediocre non-native speaker) - but about typography.

Regarding that science - I wasn't critiquing the matter (didn't found the topic particularly interesting), but the overall style of explanation and wording of that. Keep it simple! rule is often useful (though I am not adhering to it as often as I would like).

 

[HegemonKhan]

ah yes, humans loves simplicity, yet nothing is simple

sorry, but here's a differing philosophy i have:

i prefer critical thought and long explanory posts compared to short "mindless sound-bite" posts. don't get me wrong, some people can be concise and put a lot into their posts at the same time. obviously, i am not such a person.

i do have strong "overtones" of philosophy mxed into everything (again, i LOVE to think and also have strong opinions), but don't confuse that with the science content i provide.
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what do u mean by typography? (too lazy to look up myself, lol)

if u mean organization-structure, that is included in "good grammer and writing skills". my fault for not pointing this out.

i certainly, need to improve my organization-structuring skills as much as grammer skills when writing.

 

[lAmebAdger]

(hopefully) americans would still have won against the japanese (though i'm not certain of that), but anyways, even if we could still win, it would mean much more casualities (ON BOTH SIDES. more death without the 2 nukes than with them, even if that sounds strange, its true), due to americans timeless IN-ability to fight AGIANST geurrila war (americans are quite good AT fighting geurilla warfare, eh britain? U.S.'s independence and formation) and the japanese's "code of honor" and "to the death" fighting behavior.

however, is/has ANYONE good AGIANST geurrilla warfare ????? (no instance that i can think of off the top of my head)

if anyone can point out a success in history against guerrila warfare, i'd lvoe to know about it, as i love history

to say americans are or aren't good at guerilla wars or fighting them is complete bull (maybe you didn't write this in seriousness, but nationalist generalization... it pisses me off)

ANYone can be good at or bad at fighting for/against guerilla wars
the people in a country change
the luck of a country changes
the situation of a country changes

also:
it's the people, not the countries that fight for/against guerilla wars and people are everywhere
seriously! any country can become very good at driving enemies out through guerilla warfare
and any country can be driven out too! comparing countries on their abilities to fight for / against guerilla wars is bull because it doesn't make sense!


on the america-japan-thing:
it's clearly stated that america could have, given a couple more years/multiple more months, defeated japan
the two nukes were just a: "i've had enough, i want it to end right now" thing
also, the amount of people nukes kill is outrageously high if you count all people which have been affected by a serious dose of radioactivity (years after they were thrown even)
and NO, don't try to praise nukes: america threw them, fine, tolerated, but don't act like this is all honourable and w/e


also @ hegemonkahn: you can stop showing off your l33t science/philosophy skills now:wink:

 

[HegemonKhan]

i'm not showing anything off...i'm jsut putting my lifetime effort of knowledge and learning to use...if not than i wasted my entire life away in all the hours spent learning and gaining knowledge.

i have to disagree, america does SUCK at fighting against guerrilla warfare:

iraq, afghanistan, vietnam, korea, etc.... (there's many more but that's all i can think of)

(i find american history really boring...and it's so "hammered, propagandized-glorified" into us that i'm sure i'm also rebelling against it too )
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who knows how war against japan would ahve gone if we hadn't used the nukes. i certainly don't.

and u are indeed right that a nuke does some serious damage. it's a lot of megatons of TNT energy for a single (or a few) bomb(s) compared to conventional or non-nuclear bomb(s). first there's the ENORMOUS blast (the "fireball". the mushroom cloud is what u see going high up into the "sky", but the "fireball" is below...what u don't see...cuz if u do see it...either you're dead or blind from your retinas literally burnt up) that "vaporizes" everyone. than, those who are just outside the blast, quickly die from the radiation mutating their skin to such an extreme degree that their skin "sloshes" off their bodies like it was wet-runny mud. this is hard to find....it's been understandly pretty well censored from the knowledge of the general public as it is really quite gruesome. than u got those far enough away to survive this extreme and "quick" radiation death, but still receive radiation, whom get cancer and die years later (anotehr example is cherynobyl nuclear plant in russia that had a melt down. besides those that died immediately and over a week or a few weeks, 60 years later the area had like thousands of russians dropping dead from cancer all at the same time. obviously russia kept this "embarrassment" as classifed and only somewhat recently declassifed it for the world to know about).

however, WAR itself ...usually racks up far more casualties than the individual weapons of war. also, had they not surrendered....we might have used even more nukes...and surely u can agree with me, that more nukes causes more casualties than less nukes and certainly more than no nukes.

it is definately debatable whether, there be more or less casualties had we not used the two nukes and luckily-thankfully the japanese surrendering 3 days later.

IF, there would be more casualties had we not used the nukes, than i certainly WILL defend the use of those two nukes, in terms of the war. however, the two nukes DO destroy the very land-area as well....which is not so defendable....

IF, there be less casualties had we not used the nukes, than i am certainly with u, in being regretful that the nukes were used.

see...even me...a more hawkish american than even dick cheney... DOES CARE about human life: less casualties, the better !!!!!

whereas with the middle east-terrorism...it seems to be: the more the casualties the better.....

for all those who do: please stop criticizing the U.S. and start criticizing the middle east-terrorism... if u truly care about human life. V.V

 

[lAmebAdger]

you didn't even counter my arguments regarding "it doesn't make sense to bind guerilla fighting abilities to countries" yet

also, i'm sure other countries in the same position as america would've done just AS badly in iraq, bla bla bla
countries do not HAVE guerilla fighting abilities! people do!

 

[stephan]

Speaking of failure, I'm sure you simply forgot that the U.S. was protecting Vietnam against an invasion by Soviet- and Chinese-backed troops, just as it did in Korea. Not doing the invading, as you appear to be claiming.

As I recall the only question was if the USA used its "leverage" to meddle in affairs that were not initially theirs. I'm afraid the country has a rather bad track record in that, and if staying passive is supposed to be a sign of moral (and god knows why cultural) superiority than the USA is certainly not in that front line.

 

[lAmebAdger]

speaking about countries actually being ABLE to have moral superiority or inferiority is just plain wrong XP

that's over-generalization again, the only way i can see a country's moral standings be better than that of others is if that country performs morally better NOW in the present where it counts!

 

[HegemonKhan]

you didn't even counter my arguments regarding "it doesn't make sense to bind guerilla fighting abilities to countries" yet

also, i'm sure other countries in the same position as america would've done just AS badly in iraq, bla bla bla
countries do not HAVE guerilla fighting abilities! people do!

i couldn't respond, that's why i didn't

u won this debate before it even begun, that's why i didn't start an attempt at debate by posting about it

you are completely right, war is people fighting people. war is about people.

(well, as long as we use humans....robots-machines-"terminators" are already here....."drone" planes and anyone see the remote controlled car with live missles on it? i wet my legs when i saw that...literally seeing the "terminator" movies becoming reality before my eyes.... i should be deeply terrified....but i live in the state in the U.S. that has a governor who will protect me from the "rise of the machines" or "terminators" )

this is the only way i can respond:

however, those "people" do need to be organized and trained properly to be sucessful and still alive anyways and not failed and dead.

also, people DO have different abilities..and training-organizing...