7 year old dies protecting his sister from a rapist.

[Dondrei]

Dude, I played Rome Total War. I know what they were like :yes:

I played Civ 2, which is better, so nyer.

 

[Garbad_the_Weak]

Of course, the Saxons in that game are nothing but a collection of attributes to make the game playable. In no way could the Germanic tribes have competed with the Romans if the latter weren't that decadent and self-absorbed at that time. I just chose them because I live in their starting area :azn:

Seriously, download rome total realism. Its a free mod that tries to make the game more historically accurate and combat more tactical. It makes it so some factions (barbarians) are extremely hard to play because of their location/crap skills, but its much better than the vanilla. Its very much worth a look.

My only beef with RTR is they eliminated the briton faction because "the only thing historically significant about the brits was they gave rome a chance to practice slaughtering barbarians." o_o Which is too bad because the briton faction is fun to play.

http://www.rometotalrealism.org/download.html

 

[krischan]

Well, the Romano-Brits (who appeared after the Western Roman rebels lost their last province which was NOT MY FAULT) are currently kicking the butts of my army in England, they beat me even though I outnumber them by a factor of two and I'm usually among the top 3 of the most advanced nations. They probably get a bonus versus Saxons, as beating them up all the time was a main theme in the Artus saga and all the Prince Vailant comicbooks. Whatever, in the Robin Hood saga, the Anglo-Saxons were the good guys again :smug:

Thanks for the link, I will try that.

 

[lAmebAdger]

combining teh elements of angels and saxons > saxons pure, just like whisky-coke tastes better than whisky (feel free to disagree, lol)

 

[krischan]

While I don't agree on mixing coke with whisky, I agree that Angles and Saxons are a good mix. Hamburg is right between Niedersachsen ("Lower Saxony") and Schleswig Holstein (which Angeln is a part of), so maybe I am somehow an Anglo-Saxon

 

[HegemonKhan]

i don't presume to know more about germany than a u, krishan a german ? (or do u jsut live in germany, but not german?), but please DO give germans and their ancestors, germanic tribes, more credit. germans of ww2 excelled much more in warfare and organization/mobilization than the rest of europe and america. the same was true back in ancient times. the romans had a very difficult time with the germanic tribes even at their peak of power.

rome was sacked 2 or 3 times. hannibal could have destroyed rome too, but historically-infamously decided to wait...attila the hun...etc...and ultimately what did the roman empire become? answer: the roman empire in the west became the "german"-christian Holy Roman Empire (and the east roman empire became the greek orthodoxy-ottoman empire-with constantinople as it's capitol). "germany" and germans took over control of what was "true/original" roman empire in the west, including rome and the roman penisula.

i really didn't want to gt into a historical discussion so i'ma end here and not write a history book on the matter to support what i posted here.

 

[lAmebAdger]

aww... come on!

germanic tribe's warfare ability can be described as different (!) between times that are as much far apart as WW2 and, for example, the "völkerwanderung"

IMO, credit should not be something you gain centuries ago and keep for another few millennia, unless you're a constant entity, which is not the case here (in fact, if you know me well, you'll know that i'm reluctant to give any sort of credit at all to non-constant things like state, a people, nation, w/e)

(krischan said he can be considered as anglo-saxon because of his topologic relations, so he is most likely a german, i think)

 

[HegemonKhan]

the past is the present and the future. the people of the "germany" area are quite sophisticated (despite the slander and defamation by the romans labeling them as "barbarians". it's ironic how these germanic "barbarians" would spawn so many of the most famous scientists and scientific discovieries of human history. it just shows u, that it was the romans who were the stupid ones). this enabled them to rival the "mighty roman legions and empire" in ancient times and all of europe and america in the 20th century (ww2).

i'm 50% swedish (viking woot woot...though icelandic vikings are the most awesome of vikings...oh well..close enough) and the rest of me is trace amounts of various european "barbarians", both britain and "brittany" (europe). i even got a bit of german in me too. so i got a bit of a biasedness in favor of "barbarians".

yes, based on the above, i am "white". lol

(i lost my blond childhood hair though. now i got dark brown hair. though i still have my blue eyes)

 

[lAmebAdger]

call it quits on the generalizations, plz?

we're still individuals, and if you talk about tribes, they are different tribes, not just "the people of the 'germany' area" and they have been split up and mixed and whatnot until the time of WW2, so don't give any credit to anyone

i'm sure every sort of tribe, germanic or not, can accomplish what they have, given the right situation

(this was all light video game talk, until you got seriously historical...)

 

[HegemonKhan]

i'm well aware that they aren't all one people and i never said they were. i'm talking about macro history, aka "generalization" as u put it. for micro history, THAN i should NOT "generalize".

many people FAIL. romans for example. greece for another. where's the roman empire now? where's the 2nd most massive territory that was greece's under alexander? mongols for example. where is the most massive territory of the mongol's "golden horde"?

the people of the "germany" area SUCCEEDED. they never fell into ruin. they lasted even to the 20th century (ww2) and are still a strong country now..though a bit too "pacifist" for my hawkish american taste (like all european countries)

the video game is a serious historical game. serious historical discussion is directly "on message" for a serious historical game.

 

[lAmebAdger]

ga... you're talking in macro history mode again... (as you call it)

imo, macro history is something that has great potential of getting alot of people hotheaded for non-sensical things most of the time it is debated with

talking about failing and succeeding. don't throw these words around. imo greece succeeded. they are a strong country, if not necessarily in military or economy
also, the romans have succeeded, if you look at much we are still influenced by them today

the game may be a serious historical game with the total realism expansion, which was only partly talked about, and certainly not by krischan, as he doesn't play it, although you try to get him to pay more credit...
the TALK however, was light

 

[HegemonKhan]

pfft....italy and greece are NOT even "world players" now (that's quite a fall from "ruling the world").

if history makes people "hot-headed", they probably need to see a psychologist/psychiastrist and get help.

that is true what u said about the video game discussion, HOWEVER *I* am a serious person. *i* do not talk "lightly" (i use humor to soften up serious opinions and discusions though, for others reading it).

 

[lAmebAdger]

pfft....italy and greece are NOT even "world players" now (that's quite a fall from "ruling the world").

and i said:

if not necessarily in military or economy

so no, being successful doesn't only depend on whether you're a "world player" or not

if history makes people "hot-headed", they probably need to see a psychologist/psychiastrist and get help.

you're hot-headed. it's ok, you don't need help

that is true what u said about the video game discussion, HOWEVER *I* am a serious person. *i* do not talk "lightly" (i use humor to soften up serious opinions and discusions though, for others reading it).

i'm sure at some point in life you're going to accept that confrontation is best balanced out by non-confrontation, alternating between the two whenever it makes sense

 

[HegemonKhan]

you're hot-headed. it's ok, you don't need help

touche, except that i'm beyond help

however, i like to think that i'm more THICK-headed (stubborn) than "hot-headed"

 

[lAmebAdger]

lolz, you just think that... that's also true, actually

 

[BobCox2]

LOL
OK people I'm just going to point out that history is mostly a collection of fables, more so the farther back you go. We generate long threads on recent events we have video of, based on points of view not shown (JFK anyone)
It's all we have and it's worth a lot but no matter what the consensus is it's always open to debate.

(if it's not open to debate in your society your in a totalitarian state, you can point and laugh, but you should not forbid it as a topic.)

While I don't agree on mixing coke with whisky, I agree that Angles and Saxons are a good mix. Hamburg is right between Niedersachsen ("Lower Saxony") and Schleswig Holstein (which Angeln is a part of), so maybe I am somehow an Anglo-Saxon

Don't use the good whiskey at least
But on the subject, the laws you have on Nazis there kind it of bugs me, point and laugh more, (or cry - same thing in a lot of way as pain is central to both emotions) but forbid things less IMHO.
But hey, I visited a few times but don't live there and don't presume to tell you how to live, so just a suggestion OK?

To those that have not been to Europe you know how a lot of the time you can tell a person from Texas from a person from Chicago or a Californian from a New Yorker? = same thingX10.

 

[krischan]

At least ancient history is a lot like fables. Apart from that, history is written by the winners and therefore people used it to their advantage, e.g. to justify the order at that time or to justify opposing it - and still try to do it in these times.

Me an Anglo-Saxon: Maybe I am, but it's not all about genes. I mainly said it to tease people from England a bit. BTW, I'm neither blonde nor tall nor strong and I also get drunk rather quickly.

 

[lAmebAdger]

neither blonde nor tall nor strong and I also get drunk rather quickly

i can tell from your avi XD haha, perfect description of Werner

(on subject: history mostly comes with a bit of bias, but the bias lessens as you dive more into modern history or ancient history (not the history in between), because modern history is pretty near and ancient history is so ancient that we rely more on archaeology or scientific deduction)

 

[krischan]

I forgot: small ears, normal-sized nose, brown, full hair