7 year old dies protecting his sister from a rapist.

[Lazer LXXVII]

http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/36941

So sad, but he was a courageous little guy.

 

[HegemonKhan]

wow, had the boy not been murdered, i'd hate to be a "bad guy" if the boy had grown up. If only adults, young adults, adolescence, and teens could/would actually be as brave and righteous as this boy and stand up to evil bad people, the world would be a lot better for good people and a lot more dangerous for bad people. this boy gives vigilantism a "good name". if every bad person got a knife jammed into their back by little boys, there would be a lot less bad people. now that's what u call a deterant ! shame on the russian police for still having the guy alive for court-trial...blow his brains out already! courts and trials are for humans, this monster ain't human. blow the monster's brains out already!

what this boy did is TRUE HEROISM, if only he was a little older and stronger and he stuck that knife deeper or in a better spot/angle.

 

[Arokthis]

I wouldn't bet much money on his survival in prison.

 

[HegemonKhan]

sad and very disturbing that it takes a criminal in prison to do the RIGHT thing and kill this....censored, censored, censored, censored, censored, censored, censored, censored monster.....

yet, the non-criminal non-incarcerated free society of the human population can't and won't do the RIGHT thing and remove this ...filth... from our world...this disturbs me....greatly...

 

[krischan]

Well, to bad that you are throwing away things like separation of powers, human rights etc. away because a despicable criminal committed a terrible crime. I'm quite happy that policemen don't decide on a whim who is going to be "shot on the run", as I don't believe that they adjucate any situation properly. In this case the criminal cannot expect compassion from anybody, but things aren't always as simple.

I'm rather sure he will be sentenced to death, but a lifelong prison sentence would be the more severe punishment BTW, rapists and child murderers surely will have no good time during the rest of his life in an already miserable Russian prison. His fellow prisoners will probably turn the hell into a kind of ninth hell for him.

 

[SaroDarksbane]

court-trial...blow his brains out already! courts and trials are for humans, this monster ain't human. blow the monster's brains out already!

How is he not human? Or do you live in a world where humans do not do terrible things?

And this "Only humans have rights, so if we just define people we don't like as 'Not Human' we can do whatever we want to them." way of thinking really has to go. It's gotten us humans into way to much trouble in the past.

 

[HegemonKhan]

Well, to bad that you are throwing away things like separation of powers, human rights etc. away because a despicable criminal committed a terrible crime. I'm quite happy that policemen don't decide on a whim who is going to be "shot on the run", as I don't believe that they adjucate any situation properly. In this case the criminal cannot expect compassion from anybody, but things aren't always as simple.

I'm rather sure he will be sentenced to death, but a lifelong prison sentence would be the more severe punishment BTW, rapists and child murderers surely will have no good time during the rest of his life in an already miserable Russian prison. His fellow prisoners will probably turn the hell into a kind of ninth hell for him.

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for this monster, gladly without hesitation or second thought. "innocent until proven guilty and/or due process" is for HUMANS. this ....filth...ain't a human.

that's true, but why not jsut blow his brains out...what's the difference from making him suffer (imprisonment) or jsut "removing him from this world" and being done with it ? why make the poor russian mother and daughter wait for final closure. nothing will make the mother and daughter feel better than the day this .....filth....is not on this earth anymore. why make them wait for an execution day...even if it is immediately after sentencing...why waste money on a trial and make us and mother and daughter having to listen to what this....filth...had done-tried to do... from the judge or prosecutor or police...

personally,

be warned...my blood is on fire....i am very passionate about this... and what i want done as equal and just punishment to this....FILTH....

i AM for REAL PHYSICAL suffering (not imprisonment-mental suffering)....this is where torture is a very very very good thing (and i don't mean water boarding...i mean REAL torture) ....really make him scream like he tried to do to that little girl. make him scream...scream nice and loud and long.....torture is a very wondrful thing for a ...a filth....like this...and than....when u can't torture him any longer...than u kill him in a final slow agonizing torturous death. only this is true jsutice for this ...filth.... he tried to make the daughter scream like the little girl she is...so in fairness and justice, make him scream like a little girl in punishment for his crime of murdering the hero boy-brother-son and his attempted rape of the little girl-sister-daughter !!!

 

[jmervyn]

shame on the russian police for still having the guy alive for court-trial...blow his brains out already! courts and trials are for humans, this monster ain't human. blow the monster's brains out already!

I disagree wholeheartedly with krischan, as I think that the lack of an effective (scary) death penalty and opportunity for endless appeals are partially responsible for the willingness to commit such crimes in the U.S.

But at the same time, the legal drama itself has enough social meaning that it should definitely not be fast-tracked for expediency's sake. A speedy trial, yes, but not a mock one.

And don't fret about the end result <IF> this the guilty party. It might be dramatization, but the movie Citizen X is worth checking out...
"The party members who are doctors we detain for a very brief period of time. The party members who are sexual deviants, we intend to detain a little longer."

 

[HegemonKhan]

How is he not human? Or do you live in a world where humans do not do terrible things?

And this "Only humans have rights, so if we just define people we don't like as 'Not Human' we can do whatever we want to them." way of thinking really has to go. It's gotten us humans into way to much trouble in the past.

come back to reality, in ABSOLUTELY NO WAY IS THIS ....FILTH....HUMAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!

when u want or try to rape a little girl, u lost whatever humanity, if u ever had any in the first place, AHEM !

don't u put me or any other human is the same category as this ...FILTH....
this monster ain't one of us, this monster ain't human.
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okay i'm getting too upset and angry from this thread and what this ....FILTH...did and tried to do.... i need to go seriously cool off.......

 

[SaroDarksbane]

come back to reality, in ABSOLUTELY NO WAY IS THIS ....FILTH....HUMAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Again, I repeat: How is he not human? Does doing something terrible make you not a member of the human race? Why?

for this monster, gladly without hesitation or second thought. "innocent until proven guilty and/or due process" is for HUMANS. this ....filth...ain't a human.

So we don't need a trial to determine his guilt or innocence, because he "isnt human", and we know he isn't human because he's guilty.

Obvious Question: How do you know he's guilty if you're not going to bother to determine his guilt or innocence?

 

[phool]

I don't feel bravery or heroism have that much meaning re a 7 year old, in much the same way we can't convict under 8s of crimes. Though the medal's an appropriate gesture.

Death Penalty FTL... I'm sure everyone's beaten that one to death many times before.

I'm surprised at the OTT emotive replies in this thread.

 

[Dirty_Zulu]

Here in US, some sleazy lawyer will say the man stabbed the boy in self defense.

 

[Dondrei]

It's not about who they are, it's about who we are.

 

[stillman]

Hege, here you are again saying certain groups of people should be rounded up and shot to death while in every other thread you go on and on about how bad the the holocaust was. You also edited your post but left in the parts were you glorify torture.

What you're saying is not much different from saying a blind man bumping into someone on the street should be tortured. Some one with Tourette's syndrome should be tortured for calling people names. Some one who committed rape should be shot to death because he has some brain damage which he didn't cause....

It is a rapist's abnormal brain function that causes his behavior. No one should be killed for being abnormal.

 

[krischan]

I disagree wholeheartedly with krischan, as I think that the lack of an effective (scary) death penalty and opportunity for endless appeals are partially responsible for the willingness to commit such crimes in the U.S.

How is that in contrast to what I wrote ? I didn't debate about what might be the proper legal consequence and I surely have more important things to do than objecting if he's sentenced to death. I was talking about policemen instead of judges deciding who is going to be shot after being caught (which is what I meant with separation of powers, a key element of constitutional states BTW). I'm just not gathering a lynch mob, not in any case.

What's a scary death penalty for you ?

 

[jmervyn]

How is that in contrast to what I wrote ? I didn't debate about what might be the proper legal consequence and I surely have more important things to do than objecting if he's sentenced to death.

Beg pardon; I assumed your view to be that of phool's, along with the whole "American barbarians" song & dance. My mistake. I simply don't agree that interminable incarceration carries the same dread that the DP does.

What's a scary death penalty for you ?

Well, for <me>, being hung, drawn, & quartered. But it's the drama, and particularly the speed which I believe is badly missing in America. Recidivism rates are hotly debated, but the increase in willingness to commit such crimes is what I'm personally disgusted by. Salaciousness in my society has combined with disregard for criminal punishment quite easily.

 

[lAmebAdger]

i say there are too many factors in this here case for us to be totally fair... totally fair is an impossible dream anyway
everytime we talk about how to deal with such persons we need to be aware that there is no really right way to go about it, but let's rather just stick to some simplistic "tried-and-...kinda-works" methods like life-sentence or death penalty after a guilty-or-not-trial...

 

[Tanooki]

I think it's odd we don't do a punished based on the fact that it hasn't been done in a while. I'm all for a return of public hangings.

 

[jmervyn]

I think it's odd we don't do a punished based on the fact that it hasn't been done in a while. I'm all for a return of public hangings.

That's because those with tender sensibilities and bleeding hearts would decry the barbarity of doing so (or televising executions, for that matter). What is ignored by that over-represented segment of belief is that there are far more barbarians within our culture than ever before, and that if such actions do not receive a short, sharp shock then those barbarians figure that they can get away with murder.

It's all about the social contract and the 'buy-in' of citizens. We have innumerable people, not even counting illegal aliens, who don't buy into the concept of America. When there's no social contract, the risk of identification and punishment is low, and the risk of incarceration even lower, then why <not> offend?

 

[Galabab]

You will scream that im an asshole but, that boy also hadnt the right to kill the robber even if he was raping his sister.
I dont see that rape should be punished with death, not even rape of children.