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50 pindle runs

Discussion in 'Theorycrafting and Statistics' started by Shm0, Jan 29, 2004.

  1. Shm0

    Shm0 IncGamers Member

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    50 pindle runs

    here is what happened during my 50 pindle runs

    Meteor orb sorc lvl 84
    Ptopazed Tals helm
    4 Ptopaz armor
    Occy
    33% Chance
    Tals belt
    viscerataunt shield
    15% rare mf ring
    all resist 14 ll ring (kinda pointless)
    21% mf boots
    tellign of beads ammy

    total mf= 100 base+251 equipment=351% mf

    Runs-

    1 no uniques or good rares
    2 no uniques or good rares
    3 no uniques or good rares
    4 the salamander uniq battle staff
    5 no uniques or good rares
    6 no uniques or good rares
    7 no uniques or good rares
    8 no uniques or good rares
    9 rakescar unique war axe
    10 no uniques or good rares
    11 no uniques or good rares
    12 no uniques or good rares
    13 no uniques or good rares
    14 no uniques or good rares
    15 no uniques or good rares
    16 no uniques or good rares
    17 rare xbow-284% ed, 5%chance to cast amp damage, 5%ll, 80psn dmg.
    18 no uniques or good rares
    19 death-fire immune plus lightning enchant plus not paying attention
    20 no uniques or good rares
    21 no uniques or good rares
    22 no uniques or good rares
    23 vidalas barb long battle bow
    24 no uniques or good rares
    25 no uniques or good rares
    26 no uniques or good rares
    27 no uniques or good rares
    28 no uniques or good rares
    29 no uniques or good rares
    30 no uniques or good rares
    31 no uniques or good rares
    32 deaths touch set war sword
    33 no uniques or good rares (now i have 1 million gambling gold)
    34 no uniques or good rares
    35 no uniques or good rares
    36 no uniques or good rares

    diablo 2 crashes while creating game 37

    37 no uniques or good rares
    38 no uniques or good rares
    39 no uniques or good rares
    40 no uniques or good rares
    41 no uniques or good rares
    42 no uniques or good rares
    43 no uniques or good rares
    44 no uniques or good rares
    45 no uniques or good rares
    46 no uniques or good rares
    47 sazabis ghost liberator set armor
    48 no uniques or good rares
    49 no uniques or good rares
    50 no uniques or good rares

    what did i learn. i wasted a lot of time for nothing. maybe i have bad luck, or maybe pindle sucks, or maybe i just dont have enuf mf. ill do more runs and post what i find in this thread, if anything.oh yeah, and gambling all my money on rings and amulets here is what i found:
    -absolutely nothing.
     
  2. Privater

    Privater IncGamers Member

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    Finding a elite set item every 50 runs is nothing ?
    btw you need about 30 sec per run thats with create game time about 10 sec you need about 45 min to make those runs so every 1 hour of playing you get a elite item is nothing ?
    Anyway to find a elite item every 50 or 150 or 1 run is just luck + your mf so why to complain ?
    Pindle is just the best monster to mf at him .
    Fast easy to kill and with decent rewards

    Regards

    P.S. If you think sabazi isnt good this is personal the computer made a drop the same time it could be tals armor or ik armor its just a pick from a tc
     
  3. Vizier

    Vizier IncGamers Member

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    I used to run Pindle with a hybridzon (500+MF) in 1.09. Uniques seem to drop once every 15 runs, and it took and average of 80-200 runs to get an elite set/unique item. However, as posted, he can be done fast. I could do 60-70 Pindle runs per hour

    Also, you might want to exclude the standard 100 base MF in your posting, everyone else does for a standard frame of reference.
     
  4. DemiNymph

    DemiNymph IncGamers Member

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    My tally for 50 pindle runs on UsWestLadder 1 player.

    Lvl 86 Blizzard sorc with lvl 86 HF merc.

    Equipment -

    ptopaz Tals helm - 24%
    Tals ammy
    Tals belt - 13%
    Set bonus - 65%
    Rhyme shield- 25%
    Wizspike
    nagel ring - 30%
    Magefists
    Ravenfrost
    Some rare light plate i picked up coz I traded away Vipermagi on a whim.
    Gheeds - 38%

    Merc - Reapers Toll, Vamp Gaze, Shaft.

    Total MF- 195%

    4 - rare circlet, +1 barb, 4% ll, lvl 27. A keeper.
    7 - all blues
    9 - rare ring, crap mods
    15 - Uni long sword
    16 - all blues
    18 - uni morning star
    27 - angelic sabre
    32 - all blues
    35 - all blues
    39 - rare circlet, crap mods
    41 - LC of vita, 33 life.
    43 - Set bramble mitts, LoH
    45 - all blue
    46 - rare ring, crap mods
    50 - etheral baranar star and eth rare scarab husk

    3 uniques, 2 sets, a ton of rares, 5 times all blue. I'm going to change my MF a little and see the results.


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    My tally for 50 pindle runs on UsWestLadder 1 player.

    Lvl 87 Met/Fireball/Orb sorc with lvl 87 HF merc.

    Equipment -

    Shako - 50%
    ptopaz Skullders - 24 + 108
    chance guards - 30%
    occy - 50%
    2 nagels - 27% , 28%
    aldur boots
    tals ammy
    rare belt with life and resists.
    charms - 35% gheeds + 5% sc

    Merc - Bonehew, duriel's shell, blackhorns

    Total MF- 375%

    11 - 5/5 cold lvl up rainbow facet, my very first unique jewel
    14 - rare ring, nef
    25 - green jagged star, aldur
    30 - all blues
    44 - sigon gloves
    49 - all blues

    More dismissal than 195%.
     
  5. AlphaStrikeII

    AlphaStrikeII IncGamers Member

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    So you guys think Pindle is still good?
    I did many runs in 1.09, and I found that generaly I would have to do 300-400 runs for an elite item that I couldn't get from meph. Given how much more dangerous pindle and his minions are combined with many new good mf places such as Pit and Mausoleum I haven't bothered much with running him. I also heard that his dropprate for set/unique was nerfed Anyone have any stats to share on how many runs on average for the really good stuff to drop. With this I mean above meph quality items and a number of runs of 2k+ total to minimize the influenze of luck.
     
  6. Vizier

    Vizier IncGamers Member

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    My drop experience with 1500-2K Pindle runs in 1.09 was similar.. 300-400 runs for something really 1.09'ish nice with 500+MF. Like you mentioned, a 2K run sample should envelope most random luck for a general case study.

    I just posted a 100 run result comparing Pindle/Shenk/Eldritch/Pit:
    http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=128081
     
  7. Thrugg

    Thrugg IncGamers Member

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    Pindle drops TC above Meph (ie 81-87) about 1/18 drops (or 1/9 runs).
    His chance of dropping a unique quality for such items is around 1/180 (this is the bit that was nerfed - other SUs are about 1/80).
    With reasonable MF, you can triple those odds - say 1/60 uniques.
    However, not all item types in those TCs have unique versions - when that happens you'll get a "unique" but it'll come out triple durability rare. About 2/3 base types in those TCs have unique versions.

    Altogether with reasonable MF you expect a non-Meph unique from Pindle about every 800 runs. That's not much worse than in 1.09, although of course there are a lot more elite uniques to find than there were in 1.09.

    He drops set quality about 1/110. With good MF, about 1/30. But, only about 1/3 base items up that end have set versions. So, still around 800 runs per non-Meph set item also.

    Which means between the two categories you expect one about every 400 runs.
    (All these numbers are fairly rough but should give you an idea)

    If you include TC78s also (because Meph doesn't drop TC78 very often at all, even though he can), you can expect a unique about every 500 runs and a set every 650, or one of either about every 280 runs.

    [edit] By the way, I'm afraid with odds like these, 2K runs isn't nearly enough. I ran Pindle around 5K times in 1.09 and my findings were still way better than the theory, just from luck. I don't think it would even out until the order of 50K runs. Doable if you have many contributors.
     
  8. Cyclohexane

    Cyclohexane IncGamers Member

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    Try an item find barb

    I use an item find barb with 47% chance to find item (not a major investment) and beserk. Since howl is a synergy to beserk, it is easy to run in, howl and scare a away minions, hack away at Pindle, then hork his body (2nd chance to find items). I get 2 chances to find items for every 1 kill compared to a sorc and do it just as fast. I have never counted my runs but I have been very succesful.

    I also do this in baal runs with up to 8 players. This seems to effect the drops in a postive way.

    The travernacle in act3 is another great horking ground.

    Good luck
     
  9. Eisirt

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    Well this is the treasure class you mentioned:

    Armor 84: Archon Plate, Bone Visage (Trang's Helm), Lacquered Plate (Tal Rasha's Armor), Sky Spirit, Troll Belt (Trang's Belt), Ward (Heaven's Taeback), Zakarum Shield(The Herald of Zakarum is the unique Gilded Shield, not a Zakarum shield, the names are the same, but there is no other connection. The Herald of Zakarum is exceptional, not elite.)

    I don't see a Balrog Skin in there...
     
  10. Privater

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    Did i say that Balrog is in the 84 tc ?
    Where did i mension this ?
    Anyway i wrote all this just to make clear that finding a elite set or unique item every 50 runs is a good stat when you consider that you need about 1 hour to make those runs .
    That is what i say ..nothing more nothing less
     

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