All this talk about WW Barbs made me want to try out one myself in Travincal. So I farmed an essence at Meph with another character, respecced my oskill Sept Barb and gave him a go. I actually liked it . 40s avg run time over 25 runs, so too slow, but as I'm still learning the ropes, it's not too bad. I also settled on the first map that had all Council members at the left side of the balcony. I thought it was a nice map, until I saw one of Grip's videos where all the Council members are actually on top of each other exactly in the corner. Maybe I'll reroll. Maybe I'll just accept things as they are .