2 rules to obey

[TheDarkSide]

2 rules to obey

So I was browsing the forum and clicked on the link on the left that directs you to the Acai berry and Colotox supplements and got to reading about them a bit . I said screw it and ordered ( cost me less than $10 bucks shipping and handling ) last week and recieved the stuff this past Saturday ..

I wanted to shed a few holiday pounds Id gained and now after 3 days being on this stuff Iv'e lost 5 pounds already .. Im not just taking the pills though , I spent around $250 bucks Saturday at the store buying healthy food choices like veggies , chicken breasts , low fat everything .. Along with that Iv'e been increasing my physical activity ( sorry D2 ) and walking my dog around the park twice a day .

Im cautiosly optimistic that this stuff may actually do what it says and so far so good . One thing though , if you order this and only want to try it for 30 days ( like im planning ) be sure to call the number provided or you will be billed $79.95 a month until ya do cancel .

Im planning on losing 20 pounds so wish me luck ....

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[s4nder]

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Just one thing, for losing weight you shouldn't be avoiding fats but carbohydrates instead. You need to eat fat to lose fat so to say. It's usually the carbs that make people gain weight. Some foods that have lots of carbs in them are potatoes, rice, white bread, fruits and almost everything sweet.

It's a common mistake people make, they stop eating any fats and replace their diet with carbohydrate-rich foods like fruits and pasta and then complain about not losing weight. Proteins and fats are the way to go so things like meat, eggs, dairy products, nuts, etc are all great.

 

[Johnny]

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Oh right yeah, stop eating potatoes and fruits. I hate that pop culture crap.

Here's the deal. Go to the gym for an hour a day, 4-5 days a week, don't have sodas with meals, don't eat candy or chips or other snack foods except for one "party day" of the week like friday evening or saturday. Everything will be fine from there.

And take some fishliver oil capsules every now and then in the morning if you don't eat fish normally.

 

[KremBanan]

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I also lost weight after new year. Guess what I do.. I eat less candy, havent touched Coke Cola and I jog. Pretty amazing huh?

 

[TheDarkSide]

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Ok , so diet and exercise really is the key to losing weight and I totally agree there .. Here's my excuse - in May of 08 I wrecked my motorcycle and ended up with a serious concussion . For the better part of 8 months now I get dizzy just by standing up too fast so I had to put my 24 hour fitness membership on hold for a few months . Im now to the point that I dont feel dizzy all the time and Im starting to get the urge to move a bit and get back into better shape again .

Im not expecting a miracle to happen over night or anything by taking this stuff . Im just using it to kick start my metabolism and maybe get some motivation going to exercise more . So far so good , since last Saturday January the 31st Iv'e been walking twice a day and eating a low carb / low fat diet .

Drumroll - and Iv'e lost 11 pounds to date ... Im sure a lot of that was water loss but the results have me thinking this product along with the colon cleanse pills they reccommend you take with the Acaiburn seems to be working so far ....

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[stillman]

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What Johnny said is true. The real carbohydrates you should avoid are simple sugars, like in sweets. Complex carbohydrates are found in grains like wheat and rice. These are what we should be getting most of our energy from, and they are good for you because they break down slowly after you eat them. In fact, complex carbohydrates should make up about half of your daily food intake.

And like S4nder said, fat is not your enemy. One third of our daily energy should come from fat.

You will see dramatic results just from eliminating products from your diet that are very high in simple sugars. A can of cola contains 8 spoonfulls of sugar! Next time you drink soda, picture yourself taking spoonfull after spoonfull of raw sugar; that is exactly what you are doing. Icecream is made of cream and sugar. If you were to consume it at room temperature, it would be unbareably sweet.

Finally, reducing your salt intake is good because of osmosis. Salt ends up in your tissues and causes edema, or water retention in the tissues. People with high sodium diets can have so much salt in their tissues that when you touch them, you finger marks remain in their skin.

 

[SaroDarksbane]

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My girlfriend recently got me into the Weight Watchers thing (not officially, like going to meetings and such; just the point counting), and it seems to be working out. Once you get used to calculating up the point totals, it's not too hard to keep track of it all in your head.

 

[jmervyn]

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The real carbohydrates you should avoid are simple sugars, like in sweets.

Admit it, you should have said, 'like in alcohol'. :sorry:

 

[stillman]

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My girlfriend recently got me into the Weight Watchers thing (not officially, like going to meetings and such; just the point counting), and it seems to be working out. Once you get used to calculating up the point totals, it's not too hard to keep track of it all in your head.

But doesn't it seem silly to count points for eating (can you keep counting points for the rest of your life)? I believe this system is setting you up for a disaster. The points are there for you to squeeze in unhealthy things. They are there so you can figgure out some way to abuse the points and eat as much junk food as you can without going over your point limit. The points may also be there so you can choose and calculate the absolute least amount of work you can do by manipulation of a point system.

All this unhealthy behavior will be justified by the use of such points.
I don't know much about that particular program, but a teacher I had long ago in college said she joined it over 60 times and it never worked for her.

 

[SaroDarksbane]

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I believe this system is setting you up for a disaster. The points are there for you to squeeze in unhealthy things.

There's probably a reason they don't call it "health watchers". =P

If I burn more calories in a day than I take in, I will lose weight. That's the basis of the system. Now, you can argue all day about which types of calories are "healthier", but if I eat 3000 points of "healthy" calories, and only burn off 2000, I will gain weight. It's good to eat "healthy" calories, but you still have to know what your intake is. WW helps you with your intake.

They are there so you can figgure out some way to abuse the points and eat as much junk food as you can without going over your point limit.

You could, if you wanted, spend all your points each day on nothing but potato chips. But what you would find, I think, is that a day's worth of points in potato chips is not much food, and you would constantly feel hungry and unsatisfied.

If you think a "don't eat any junk food or dessert ever" approach to weight loss works better, I think you will find most people disagree because they have a hard time spending the rest of their life never having a bowl of ice cream. The point system allows you to weigh your options. "For the same amount of points, I could have a handful of these chips, or a salad the size of my head". Sometimes, you want the salad, but sometimes you want the chips.

The points may also be there so you can choose and calculate the absolute least amount of work you can do by manipulation of a point system.

If I'm joining a program to lose weight, why would I attempt to cheat the system? That makes no sense.

It's like setting up a budget to keep your spending in check, and then refusing to document all the things you buy. Either you want to do it, or you don't. The mere fact that you don't document something doesn't mean it didn't happen.

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I've learned a lot about my intake, too. With my height, weight, age, gender, and activity level, I get 37 points a day. I was at a restaurant yesterday for lunch, looking at the burger menu. One burger was 25 points, plus an 8-point side of fries, which would have left me with just 5 for the rest of the day (and I had already eaten a 4-point oatmeal bar for breakfast, meaning I would have been down to 1 point for dinner). I was looking at some salads with my girlfriend today so we could decide what was lowest in points, and you'd be surprised how many salads are in the mid twenties too, which for her is an entire day's points.

What is especially shocking is that I can make my own burger on my own grill for 7-8 points by choosing the ingredients wisely, which blows those designer salads out of the water in both taste and points.

 

[maccool]

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The only 2 rules I obey are:

1) Never touch another man's fries.

b) Never take the last beer.

My girlfriend recently got me into the Weight Watchers thing (not officially, like going to meetings and such; just the point counting), and it seems to be working out. Once you get used to calculating up the point totals, it's not too hard to keep track of it all in your head.

Do you know how I know you're a girl? Little joke, there. I'm constantly baffled that people don't watch what they eat, or think about the consequences, or even eat healthy foods (see OP having to spend $250 on 'good' food). Learning to cook well can really help. I save my points for beer.

Not for nothing Saro; girlfriend? Best of luck with that. That's good news!

 

[TheDarkSide]

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(see OP having to spend $250 on 'good' food).

I should explain that the reason I had to go to the store and spend $250 bucks on food is because my wife usually does the shopping and she goes for the fast and easy foods . Which in turn pack in all those nasty preservatives and stuff that you should avoid . I was shocked last week when I went to the store and conciously made an effort to read some of the labels on the foods I was buying . If you dont make an effort to read what your eating its no wonder half of the US is overweight .

Well , anyways its been One Week since I started my diet and exercise program . As of last night when I got on the scale I was 13 pounds lighter than when I started last Saturday . I might have to look into getting a belt on here soon because my pants are getting to the almost falling off stage ..

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[Lazer LXXVII]

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I dont think you can lose 11 pounds in a week like you claim.

Did you weigh yourself at night, and then check up next time in the morning? Because you weigh more in the night. You should ALWAYS weigh yourself in the morning.

 

[SaroDarksbane]

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Little joke, there. I'm constantly baffled that people don't watch what they eat, or think about the consequences, or even eat healthy foods (see OP having to spend $250 on 'good' food).

As it turns out, I was generally eating under my point limit most days when it came to major meals. It was the other stuff I was eating from time to time that was really preventing me from losing anything. I'd say my intake is more level, now and less "spiky".

I save my points for beer.

Luckily for me, I've never tasted a beer I cared for (the concept of an "acquired taste" is somewhat baffling to me), so I don't have to worry about that. :thumbup:

 

[TheDarkSide]

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I dont think you can lose 11 pounds in a week like you claim.

Did you weigh yourself at night, and then check up next time in the morning? Because you weigh more in the night. You should ALWAYS weigh yourself in the morning.

I didnt lose 11 pounds I lost 13 pounds total ... :smug:

I work nights - midnight till 8am - so my schedule is backwards . I weigh myself usually when I wake up around 5pm . And I think a lot of my weight loss was water related as I gained 3 pounds back this weekend . But I kind of gave myself a break and ate like normal instead of dieting . I did manage to squeeze in a walk Saturday morning before having to taxi my kids all over the place ...

Last week was just a break in period as far as exercise goes as I hadnt done anything really in over 6 months . So this week Im going to be even more conscious of my diet and hopefully my legs wont be as sore so I can increase my activity ... And just for the record I saw someone that hasnt seen me for several months Saturday night and they asked my wife if Id lost weight ....

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[TheDarkSide]

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Week two begins today and so far Im at a total loss of 15 pounds . My wife is also doing this and she has lost 10 pounds to date .

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The walking routine has been going well . Iv'e got over the sore stage and I am now walking twice a day . I need to check with a pedometer but I believe the walk I do is around 2 miles total . I know its taking me almost an hour to get home .

The hardest part so far has been giving up Beer !!! I did have 3 beers last weekend though , but for the most part I have eliminated that altogether ..

 

[DailySupernova]

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Wow, this really makes me want to start my diet again. I was on it for about 4 days, but then my great grandmother got very ill and I had to go down to Florida; so a diet was not an option. I also would like to start running/walking, I enjoy it but it wears me out so quick I can't do much of it.

EDIT: Also, congratulations on the weight loss dude!

 

[stillman]

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If walking is such a hassle for you that you need a pedometer to make sure you're getting enough, then I'm afraid all is lost. Walking is supposed to be a fun and 'normal' activity, not a royal pain or some chore. I truely believe counting calories AND steps is just setting up this attitude where you monitor your progress to make sure you are doing the absolute least work necessary to get a result.

 

[SaroDarksbane]

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Walking is supposed to be a fun and 'normal' activity, not a royal pain or some chore.

And if it's not "fun" for someone, what then? Some people like hiking. Some people like canoeing. Some people don't like either. We all have different tastes.

Just out of curiosity, where are you from?

I truely believe counting calories AND steps is just setting up this attitude where you monitor your progress to make sure you are doing the absolute least work necessary to get a result.

Well yes, that's generally the progression of science and industry. The entire reason for the creation of that computer you are sitting at now is to do more with less.

Personally, I like that I don't have to claw at the dirt for 16 hours a day for my basic sustenance, but it does take a toll on the amount of exercise I get, so steps must be taken (pun definitely intended) to mitigate this.

 

[stillman]

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I am from Nova Scotia, Canada (since you asked).

The fact is: almost the entire body is designed for walking. Walking should feel almost as natural as breathing. When people make it out to be a chore, it sounds like the goal is to never walk unless absolutely necessary. This attitude sounds disasterous imo.

Let's say 170 pounds is clinically 'overwight' for your height X according to body mass index (just for example). Should your goal be to count callories/steps such that you steadily maintain 169.5 pounds?

I mean, can someone really count thier steps and count thier callorie intake for the rest of their lives? Should this be necessary?

I wish TheDarkSide all the best in attaining his goals, but I really believe playing number games is going to fail. The reason most people switch to skim milk is so they can keep the ice cream, when we all know it is much better to just remove the ice cream for optimal health. People replace butter with margerine mainly so they can continue devouring cake everyday. Number games allows people to keep cheating themselves like this. It's better, imo, to have an attitude where you want to do much more walking than the bare minimum.