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2 Lit sorc eq questions

Discussion in 'Sorceress' started by Lantto, Feb 23, 2004.

  1. Lantto

    Lantto IncGamers Member

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    2 Lit sorc eq questions

    I'm starting a PvP lit sorc and especially 2 pieces of eq give me trouble.

    Griffon Eye vs. Shako

    Griffon eye gives huge dmg boost as well as much needed 25 fcr to reach that 117 breakpoint. Shako has 2 skills instead of one and lots of life/mana

    Hoto vs. Echutas

    Hoto has good res where Echutas has 20 most lit skill dmg and a clean socket for another lit facet.

    Been thinking a little on Ormus vs. Vipermagi too, but even though more dmg from Ormus is cool Viper just seems a lot better really. Without it my res would be crap and I need all the fcr I can find if I wanna hit 117.

    Hope not everyone is tired of my lit sorc questions (and evryone elses I should probably have read first), but I wanna make these few things sure before I get too far.
     
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    SimplyGarces IncGamers Member

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    If you want to kill super fact go with Griffon, Echutas, and +3 light or +3 CL 15% light ormus. Now if you want resist use Hoto Viper Griffon which should help especially um'd viper assuming hoto is perf also use mara's. but as for hitting 117 break point here are the 2 step ups you can do:

    High Speed Mass Damage High FCR:
    Griffon 25 FCR
    FCR Craft Ammy +10-20 FCR +2 Skill Pref
    Ormus +3 Lite or CL +20 FCR
    Eschutas +3 skill +40 FCR
    Lidless +1 skill +20 FCR
    Arach +1 skill +20 FCR
    2x Caster Rings +10 FCR Each
    Trang Glove or Magefist +20 FCR

    Give you a total of 185 FCR With Very High Damage Swapping Ormus with Viper will give you 195 FCR with still very high damage your choice and if your a speed freak sub Eschutas with Wiz spike and you break 200 FCR.

    Resist FCR 117 +High damage:
    Griffon +1 skill +25 FCR
    Maras +2 skill +30 Resist
    Viper Magi Um'd +30 FCR 50 Resist
    Hoto +3 skill +40 FCR
    Lidless +1 skill +20 FCR +25 Res
    Arach +1 skill +20 FCR
    Trang Gloves +30 Cold +20 FCR
    x2 10 FCR +resist rings

    Still hitting 175 FCR you can also sub sojs for the 2 caster rings obtaining resist and high plus to skills still this is still viable for speed kills.
     
  3. Celandro

    Celandro IncGamers Member

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    Ormus and other +%lightning damage items are not very good because the +% just adds to your mastery.

    Chains of Honor and crescent moon rune words are both better for pure damage than ormus or escuta (yes crescent moon).
     
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    mathil IncGamers Member

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    the 117 breakpoint was mentioned. i was under the impression that lightning/chain lightning have the same breakpoints as every other spell only they were a bit slower. i can't remember anyone saying exactly how much slower.
     
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    Lantto IncGamers Member

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    Ok. so Im set on HotO and Vipermagi then. That just leaves the Griffon/Shako question. Either my 19/10 griffon or a shako.

    That breakpoint is mentiond in a response to the Lightningguide in this forum. I also made a post with a response that 117 is a breakpoint.
     
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    melianor D3 Wizard Moderator

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    I'd go Griffons, MORE %damage, totally important with Lightning, unless you get a higher damage with +2 skills from shako ?!
    Hmmm, to lazy to calculate ;)
     
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    Lantto IncGamers Member

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    About 900 more dmg with shako, but the important part with griffon is the -res and fcr right. with -19 res the actual dmg is prob higher with Griffon. Its loosing out on the 130+ life/mana from shako I'm a little woried about.
     
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    melianor D3 Wizard Moderator

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    Hmm right. You might do more damage but will have to gulp potions like crazy?! Griffons would be optimal nonetheless.
    You have high-life? with 900 you should sufficient.
     
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    Lantto IncGamers Member

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    I'm considering going base vita relaying on a 80-90% ES to stay alive using frosties and 2x sojs to get huge manapool. The huge manapool would also work great with the high fcr. It might also counteract I guess with me running out of mana from both taking hits and casting lightnings too fast. I guess I'll just have to try and see :)
     
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    melianor D3 Wizard Moderator

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    scaryy!!!! :xmad:
     
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    Lantto IncGamers Member

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    Read about it in the large ES post (right now on top of the page) and it seemed interesting :)
     
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    The -resistance should be a peace of cake for any decent opponent since 2 small charms fixes it. Go for shako.

    EDIT- yea go read the ES post, it's really interesting :teeth:
     
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    I think Ive narrowed it down to either of these 2 setups:

    nr 1: >117 setup

    Griffon 19/10 (5/5 facet)
    Wizzy (5/5 facet)
    Vipermagi 35% (5/5 facet)
    upg Visceraut (um)
    Frosties
    Arachnids
    Waterwalks
    2x Soj
    +3 Lightning amu
    20/16 Anni
    10 Lit skillers
    9x 19-20 Life sc

    125 fcr - 12 fps
    +20 lit skills
    78 res all in hell without any aditional scs
    +25% lit skill dmg
    -34% enemy res


    nr 2: >78 setup

    Shako (5/5 facet)
    HotO 30%
    Vipermagi 35% (um)
    upg Visceraut (um)
    Frosties
    Arachnids
    Waterwalks
    2x SoJ
    Maras 21%
    20/16 Anni
    10 Lit skillers
    9x 19-20 Life sc

    90 fcr - 13 fps
    +23 lit skills
    69 res all in hell without any aditional scs
    +5% lit skill dmg
    -5% enemy res

    So its basicly either +dmg/-res and 12 fps vs. skills and life.

    I havent played one of these yet so I'm no expert (thats why I'm asking), but to me option nr one just looks better.

    Note that this is most likely gonna be a base vit ES build. I'm aming for 5-600 life and around 2-2.5k mana.

    Guess a last small posibility is setup 1 with shako and lidless, but I really wanna go for max block and that'd require around 130 extra dex with lidless.
     
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    Lantto IncGamers Member

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    Make that a 19/13 Griffon :clap: :surprise: :winner:

    I have the habbit of always finding stuff I've just traded for :)
     
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    Am I missing something ? I thought the break points where 63 and 105 % ... ???
     
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    If this is for PVP, go +skills. If its not, -lightning resist is the way to go.

    Sidenote, just killed meph with 3 statics + 4 lightning bolts with my new setup.. lvl 35 lightning spells, -59%enemy lightning resist, 105fcr. Gogo crescent moon + griffons eye. Was also effective in 8 player baal runs from what I could tell.
     
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    If this is a PvP sorc, forget about ES. ES sorc builds aren't viable for PvP, considering the damage that is going to hit your ES. I'm no pk specialist, but seeing PvM damage ranges, I wouldn't expect PvP hits from less than a few k damage. Looking at max synergy Fireball for example, it's possible to deal an easy 12k with less than +20 to skills. 12k after PvP penalty is 2k damage. An 90% ES will take 1800 * 0.75 (max TK) = 1350 mana. If you go for all-out mana in your build, expect a maximum of between 2500 to 3000 mana. If you want actual resists and block, expect around 1500 mana. Which translates to: a single Fireball will mana drain you completely.
    A build that goes for 90% resist all and 75% block with possibly some %PDR without ES will handle taking a 2k Fireball just the same, but will not be mana drained.

    An ES sorc with all out energy and max mana equipment does work fine for PvM, but damage in PvP is an order of magnitude higher than all but a few hits in PvM (comparing after PvP modifier).
     
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    Lantto IncGamers Member

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    Ok. thx for the input Zarhrezz. I guess I'm gonna have to give it some real thought (or just make 2 sorces). I'm very unsure how much mana I'd need if I dont go for ES. Would I need about half my points in ene and half in vit or what?

    And yes, this is for PvP.
     
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    melianor D3 Wizard Moderator

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    I had 220 energy on my LIT-sorc but she's PvM. Worked out nicely with a Shako on my head.
     

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