18 zealot, what amount of life?

[Ankeli]

18 zealot, what amount of life?

I've finished gathering gear and j00ls for him, and am about to go beg for a normal rush. The gear is as follows;

3 socket mask with maxers
Twitchthroe with maxer
Gleg's sword with maxer
4s ed shield with maxers
Death's gloves
Death's belt
Treads of Cthon
Angelic jewelry

I tossed 2x 5% frw LC's into the inv to be able to catch/get away better, but the rest of the charms I've gathered so far are sc's with anything between 5 and 15 life. Havent finished levelling him so I'm unaware of what his total life will be, but what's a figure I should aim for to dare to duel properly. 700+? 800? It seems like ...load to me rop:

edit: he's propably going for max block.

 

[MoUsE_WiZ]

My hell rushed 21 has ~850 right now, without the last bird quest because that one's a pain to leech, and only 2 max/ar/lifers because hardly anyone has em for trade.

That's with about 1/2 the inventory filled with fines/sharps.

Max block should not be "probably" so much as "definitely"... it barely takes any to max it out at low levels with twitch.

I'd aim for 700+ as a minimum. The people with good charms though at 18 are going to be a fair bit higher than that, but it should be enough that you can avoid 1 shot against most things below 27.

Edit: at this point in the season you could probably get away with 500 life against most people if you stay in your level range though, 700+ isn't too bad though, considering you can't use fines/sharps.

 

[AzaZaz]

pretty much what mousey said.

500+ on a junk char

700+ on a decent item char


i look for 850+ on a decked out char.

 

[Ankeli]

Allrighty, (been wanting to say that since I last time watched the re-runs of Sex and the City) I'll try to get the rush and levelling done today, so I'll see where he sits atm. I guess I'll leave him to PK'ing duties until he's decked out enough. Yeah, he'll only be normal rushed because I want to effectively go for random kills as well.

 

[Barrynor]

Hmmm, lemmie see here, since my boss was kind enough to leave the office kitchen a TOTAL MESS and thus cannot reach the coffee machine, I shall be so kind as to do some calculations for you about how much life you can maximally have, what different options you have with a zeal-a-lot, and how silly your dueller actually is.

Riiight... first off, let us take a look at the starting point:

Level 1 Paladin

Starting Attributes
Strength: 25
Dexterity: 20
Vitality: 25
Energy: 15

Hit Points: 55
Stamina: 89
Mana: 15

Each Character Level
Life +2
Stamina +1
Mana +1.5

Attribute Point Effect
1 Vitality point gives 3 Life
1 Vitality point gives 1 Stamina
1 Energy point gives 1.5 Mana

Since you will be levelling from 1 to 18 that maxes 17 levels which equals 17*2=34 extra life from levelling, and 17*5 = 75 stat points, +5 from a silly book quest in act 3 which I almost forgot.

You'll also gain 17 skillpoints. Add +4 for various quests makes 21 skill points.

Base life is thus 55 + 34 + 20 = 109 life. Act 5 will only deliver some resistances, no life, so no worries about that.

---Equipment & requirement analysis---
Your items garner you a
Twitch: +10 str/dex, 20% increased blocking, 32 str req
Angelic jewelry: +10 dex, + 115 life
Threads of Chton: + 10 life, 30 str req
Clegs sword: 55 str req, 39 dex req.
Paladin shield: Since I am unable to determine what kind of 4 socket shield you have, I'll go for an Aerin shield, as it has a 50 STr req and 52% chance of blocking. IMHO, if you have a Crown Shield, you got unlucky. 15 extra STR do not ever weigh up against a meagre 3% extra blocking. For max block at clvl 18 you will need Total Blocking = (Blocking * (Dexterity - 15)) / (Character Level * 2) Urr 52% chance of block, add 20% due to twitchie, that's 72%, we want 75%, so 75 = (72 * (reqdex-15)/36), or 75*36 = 72 * reqdex-15, or reqdex - 15 = (75*36)/72 = 37.5, make that 38.

Thuis means your only worry is getting to the required stats of Cleglaws sword. With Angelics and Twitch you make a basic 35 STR, 40 DEX char, so you'll need 20 extra STR. At clvl 18, you can get 5 str from a large charm, or 30 life from two small charms, and since 5 str = 15 life, your best bet is to go for small charms. What does this bring us to?

You need to spend 20 points on strength, the rest can all go into vitality. This breaks down to the following stats at level 18:
Clvl 18 paladin
STR 55 (20 points spent)
DEX 40 (0 points spent)
VIT 85 (60 points spent, another 120 life)
ENG 15 (0 points spent)

Life:
55 base
34 from levelling
20 from quest
120 from extra VIT
115 from Angelics
10 from Threads
---
354 base life. This is the absolute minimum of life you should have. If you don't have that, you did something wrong. Or I can't calculate anymore (due to serious lack of coffee).

Say you get extremely lucky and find 38 small +15 lifers (one spot for a TP scroll, one for the ear), that makes another 570 life, for a total of 924 life at the most. That;s the pretty maximum. I had that on a few chars in 1.09, but not that many.

Well, that's it...

laters

//Barry

 

[Ankeli]

//Barry crushed a lot of numbers.

<3 for the work you did. :thumbsup:

It's indeed an Aerin shield. Those numbers help a lot, thanks

 

[Barrynor]

NP mate. At one point in time I made calculations for pretty much everything, from Necromancers to Druids in wereform, for max life, damage and blocking. If you are making a pike-jabber-zon, you'd better make sure she has max life ( I can recommend pike-jabber zon's, especially fun against those who think they can run away after hitting you with a range 1 weapon... Jab is uninterruptable, and range 5, so they die even when "disengaged")

 

[MrKaxe]

...If you are making a pike-jabber-zon, you'd better make sure she has max life ( I can recommend pike-jabber zon's, especially fun against those who think they can run away after hitting you with a range 1 weapon... Jab is uninterruptable, and range 5, so they die even when "disengaged")

Sounds intruiging Barrynor...can this work @ low lvl? I had a look at the PvP Jabba guide in the stickies but that was geared towards a SS + Titans @ high lvl...

 

[Barrynor]

well, pikey-zons are for the somewhat insane, if you want jabberzons, here from my PK/Duelling library at the top of this forum

Jabberzon

I've made a jabberzon specifically to rip apart those level 12-23 chargerdins, and as soon as I have more than 600 life I'll also rip apart those level 24 ethereal snap chargers. Its nice to go 2-handed, but when faced against 75% block and 40% dodge, you stand a good chance of missing, especially when I walk. Miss=jabb-jabb-jabb=flux or dead. My jabberzon is level 18. 51% critical hit, 40% dodge, and the rest into jab. She doesn’t run out of mana that often, and she's a fine piece of work.

twitch with 1-15 max
44 to max mask
angelics
deaths sash+gloves
threads of chton
pelta with 13 max (will upgrade to 3 socket kite with 3 carnages as soon as I can find two +5 large str charms, since blocking itself is still 75% then, and blocking speed is less important against chargers.)

20% IAS throwing spears can be acquired from level 16 (as that’s the Clvl req), then just substitute all carnage jewels with wraths and maybe a pelta.

Here is also a listing on a jabberzon made by HAMC8112

Hi Baranor.

Here's the info about my jabber, her name is *censored*

Str 34
Dex 65
Life 851

Equipement:
Twitch/15max
Mask/41max
Death's gloves/belt
Angelic's
CK boots
BSOD 25max

War javalin lvl18 reg
1 to javelin skills
20 max dmg
1-104 light dmg

Skills:
Critical strike lvl9 54%
Dodge lvl6 40%
Jab lvl6


Charms:
8 sc 15life
2 sc 14life
3 sc 13life
6 sc 12life
6 sc 11life
1 sc 10life
1 sc 9life/7% lightres
1 sc 9life
1 sc 7life/10ar
1 sc 1-10lightdmg/2-3colddmg
1 sc 2-15lightdmg
1 sc 1-8lightdmg
1 sc 1-9lightdmg

1 gc 5max/38ar/6poison3sec
1 gc 5max/38ar/14life

Greetings,
Ham.
As you can see this vile thing has 851 life… not bad for a level 18 huh? If Ham were to increase the charms a bit for some more physical damage and get a better war jav, he’d have a really really nasty build. Now, he just has a nasty build that is not killable by anything at level 18.

 

[MrKaxe]

Thx very much for the reply with info Barrynor...looks like fun but i would like to try the insane approach (with the juicy range thing you described!)...i guess i wasn't clear what angle i was coming from...can a pikey-jabber be done at low lvl? Would i follow the same equip setup you described (Twitch etc) but with a decent pike instead? Any (low level) weapon recommendations? Might use her as a dueler or something...

 

[TheWhiteTower]

well, pikey-zons are for the somewhat insane, if you want jabberzons, here from my PK/Duelling library at the top of this forum

eh he wasnt grushed?

 

[Barrynor]

Insane it is indeed.

Well, my experiments were based on err... cheap stuff. Lemmie think here, as its two years ago... or was it three... at any rate, it was well within 1.10, so everything is fine...


3 sock helmet with +maxers
4 sock goth plate with +maxers
sigons boots+gloves+belt
angelics, I think, presumably I had some, otherwise I musta used +100 AR rings and a +5 STR ammy

some pike of 120+ damage, prolly ethereal


Funny thing was that I was making an Impaler-PK, seeing that humans are basically of the STUPID kind and DO STAND STILL if you try to poke them at a very, very, very slow rate. Anyways, I accidently used Jab on someone and it turned out to be somewhat more effective than I had anticipated. I had what, 300 max dam listed with Jab, and I dished out the pain at 50-100 damage hits with critical.

I'd not reccomend it for serious duelling, but if ya wanna give it a go, go for a 6 socket pike, 6 ith runes, hmm, clvl 16 would net you a twitch but really, the 1 extra frame you'll get from it won't make the difference so I'd suggest a 3 socket breast plate or something with + maxers, and then umma 3 socket mask with maxers (all +9, just like the breast plate), and then an inventory with well, lifers, or +str/dexers, and angelics etc. Skill like a normal jabber although you might want to invest into dodge untill you hit 51%... it helps a little.

Another build altogether is a zappp-zon.... yes, I did that too, and its wonderfully insane, none too valid as a build, but its marginally cheaper . Find yourself a Maiden Spear with 6 sockets and preferably +1-3 on jav skills, stick in 6 ptopazes (yes, clvl 18 build). Max power strike for level (slvl 13, so that's a 1-322 lighting damage hit), add the rest of the points into lighting bolt for a 60% increase over the Power strike, assume eye of etlich (cold damage for teh win), tarn with p-ruby, twitch with p-ruby, angelic rings+ammy, deaths sash/gloves, threads of chton, so if you get lucky that's +5 jav skills (IIRC, one should be able to use +3 jav skills as a none magical enchantment on an amazone spearie)... urrr... that's 1-538 lighting damage from power strike and another 1-240 from the spear itself from a grand total of 2-778 lighting damage per hit. You can add another 19 1-20 lighting damage large charms into your inventory, for 19-380 added, for a total of 1158 max lighting damage, but those charms are hard to find. I stuck with 2-778 lighting damage, and it did kill people, though as you can imagine it was not very efficient (but totally wack for that).

 

[MrKaxe]

Thats awesome! Thx v much dude! Just read it now so sorry if i appeared ignorant i was @ the Hospital again :cry: Think i might give the zappa a try now as it sounds mighty scary to me! Just need to gather that equipment on ladder waaaaaiiit...i have that kinda gear non-ladder still so i better try it there where it will be easier and less painful loss (HC) if she karks it...thx again!

dk

 

[Barrynor]

ignorant? if you don't know things, you ask em. simple as that

Yeah, the zappa zon is a good place to start. if she dooes bite it, you don't loose expensive gear, and you could also go for pruby armor and helmet with 6 sockets of +38 life... I can imagine zapp-zons with 1000 life without too much trouble, and those are hard to kill at level 18 ;o)

 

[MrKaxe]

ignorant? if you don't know things, you ask em. simple as that

Sorry, poor choice of words by me, i meant ungrateful for you taking the time to give me all that info as i hadn't had the time to thank you being at the Hospital!

So, what you are saying is it is a surprise build capable of countering low level PK's as they won't expect a 'zon with a big stick to react to the threat...heheheh...

 

[The Cow King]

One advice though if you're going after other pks... get shield & max block. Otherwise you're gonna get BBQ'd.