100 P8 Pit vs. 100 P1 Baal Runs

SincereX13

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100 P8 Pit vs. 100 P1 Baal Runs

Ok, so here goes what I have been working on over the last few weeks. Not having as much time to play as I used to, this has indeed taking around 2 weeks to complete and thus I have felt the pressure to get it done as I have seen tons of threads such as this one pop up recently.

So the MF... 443% regular, 570% on weapon switch and you can add 210% MF to either one if my merc got the kill (he got the kill on 98 of 100 Baal runs).

Here are the 100 P8 Pit runs findings... all the "nothing's" will be omitted.

2. Short War Bow
6. Sabre, Full Helm, Breast Plate
8. Tower Shield, Large Shield
9. Martel de Fer
12. Hatchet
13. Chain Gloves, Curiass
14. Ogre Gauntlets * Changed Map
16. Hellforge Plate
17. Sabre, Short War Bow
19. Chain Mail
20. Claymore
21. Thul Rune
22. Poignard
23. Bone Helm
25. Poleaxe, Troll Belt
27. Large Siege Bow
28. Circlet, Tower Shield
29. Hel Rune
32. Helm
33. Gothic Shield, Amn Rune
34. Ornate Plate, Jewel - Poison
35. Chain Boots, Chain Mail, Long Sword
42. Battle Cestus
43. Short War Bow, Amulet - Angelic
45. Amulet - Cathan's
46. Plated Belt, Breast Plate
47. Breast Plate, Thul Rune
51. Amn Rune
53. Mithril Coil
55. Demonhide Boots
56. Kite Shield
57. Light Guantlets, Mask
58. Full Helm
61. Tulwar
62. Maul
63. Grand Crown, Rondel
65. Dacian Falx
66. Casque
67. Chain Boots, Bastard Sword
71. Grand Charm 38% MF
72. War Sword
73. Tigulated Mail, Sabre
75. Death Mask
76. Death Mask, Wrist Sword
78. Long War Bow
80. War Belt, Winged Helm, Mace
83. Ring Mail, Ring
84. Troll Belt, Mesh Belt, Great Helm * New Map
85. War Sword, Short War Bow
86. Heavy Boots, Scythe
87. Winged Harpoon
**. Ring - Ravenfrost
89. Gothic Plate, Grand Crown, Mesh Belt, Giant Sword, Bone Visage
90. Circlet, Ring
91. Rondel
93. Greaves
94. Gothic Plate
95. Reinforced Mace
96. Chain Mail, Io Rune
97. Plated Belt
98. Crown
100. Breast Plate

Here are the 100 Baal Runs, "nothing's" omitted

1. Heavy Bracers, Bone Helm, Mesh Armor
2. Tyrant Clue, Double Bow
6. Barbed Shield, Plated Belt
7. Repeating Crossbow
8. Truncheon
9. Studdded Leather, Scythe, Hunter's Guise
10. Round Shield
11. Ring Mail, Crown
13. Ogre Maul, Bone Knife, Kite Shield
14. Flying Axe, Shadow Plate, Breast Plate
15. Heavy Crossbow, Axe, Poignard, Long Battle Bow
17. Francisca
18. Hellforge Plate
19. Defender, Bone Helm
22. Kris, Full Helm
23. War Scepter, War Staff
24. Devil Star, Double Axe, Ring
26. Chain Gloves, Reinforce Mace
27. Mask
29. Poleaxe
30. Collossus Crossbow
31. Silver Edge-Axe, Sharkskin Gloves, Tower Shield
32. Guantlets, Bone Helm
33. Gothic Shield
36. Amulet - Highlord's
37. Great Helm
38. Ornate Plate
39. Hyperion Spear
40. Full Plate Mail
41. Demonhide Boots, Chain Mail
42. Mancatcher, Kite Shield, Splint Mail
43. Plate Mail
45. Ghost Armor, Mace
46. Dusk Shround, Kite Shield, Heavy Crossbow
47. Mask
48. Winged Helm, Ring Mail
49. Elegant Blade
50. Balrog Skin
51. Sharkskin Belt
53. Basinet, Gothic Plate, War Club
54. Great Helm
55. Heavy Gloves
56. War Sword, Claymore
57. Barbed Club
58. Flamberge, Swirling Crystal
59. Bramble Mitts, Heavy Belt
61. Crown
62. Short Battle Bow, Curiass
63. Sharkskin Boots, Plated Belt, Crossbow, Skull Cap, Ring Mail
64. Demonhide Armor
66. Fuscina
67. Greater Talons
68. Breast Plate
69. Thresher, Kite Shield
70. Sacred Rondache
71. Curiass
72. Bone Helm, Collossus Blade, Flying Axe
75. Lacquered Plate, Large Shield, Plated Belt
76. Crusader Bow
79. Crossbow, War Scepter, Ogre Axe
81. Splint Mail, Greaves
82. Short War Bow
92. Greaves
93. Bone Helm, Razor Bow, Bone Knife
94. Double Bow, Kris
95. War Hammer, Scythe
96. Belt
97. Battle Staff
100. War Club

Elite Items found in WSK en route to Baal:
Feral Claws, Corona, Vampirebone Gloves, Ogre Axe, Lacquered Plate, Caduceus, Lum Rune, Amn Rune X2

STATS:

THE PIT
Uniques: 36
Sets: 50
Elite Items: 9
TC 87's: 2

BAAL
Uniques: 70
Sets: 51
Elite Items: 25
TC 87's: 1

WSK
Elite Items: 6
TC 87's: 2

Pretty interesting indeed. As you can see, Baal dropped a whole heck of a lot more uniques than sets. Also, even though I found more TC87's from the Pit than from Baal, if you count what was found in the WSK, Baal runs were more profitable for TC 87's. The coolest thing for me was that all 5 of the TC 87's were needed for my grail :D Also make a note that the difference in time to do a Baal run and to do a P8 Pit run was pretty neglegable.
 

buffa

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I have been running pit recently, I have got 2 tc87 item...
Windy, Caddy in below 100 run.
I had 500% MF total...

Anyway, it is nice to have a comparation together. :)

Oh yes, There only different between me and this result is I had more unique than set while running pit.
Around 20% more.
 

whomhead

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very interesting findings Sincere! thanks for keeping track of all this, and congrats on the grail items! :thumbsup:
 
nice, You find alot of my favorite new items, The Sacred Rondache and the Battle Cestus

I would do them also, but I dont have a efficent way to logging the runs, how exactly did you do it?
 

SincereX13

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I did it the old fashion way... Pen and Paper :thumbsup:

Oh if you like Shadow Killer's I have found about 8 of them :)
but doesn't beat the 12 Ormus's Robes that I have found :lol:
 

SuperSavage

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Wow, that must of took a million years to do, man congrats on that work, its all worth the time, you found some awesome $hit! I should of logged my 500 pindle runs on hell... ill think of this next time. Good Work :)
 
Three things:

1) Great comparison, that must've taken a lot of time, but time well spent it was. Now you have all of those sweet items and our undying respect :D

2) Perhaps someone should collect all this type of stuff, I see a "750 Pindle runs" thread on the 1st page aswell. (looks toward AE)

3) Nope, I got nothing.....
Sam
 

SincereX13

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Thanks Sam (winking smilie... oh wait I don't think we have one of those). Anyway, I recall Takis saying something about gathering up a slew of posts/results such as this so that we can put together some more concrete data. That would be the ultimate as the reason I got into looking at and particpating in these types of finding's is to possilbly find out the best place to help get me to my grail.

edit: Takis if you read this... I do have all my results saved in word if that would help you out at all.
 

Takis

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SincereX13 said:
Thanks Sam (winking smilie... oh wait I don't think we have one of those). Anyway, I recall Takis saying something about gathering up a slew of posts/results such as this so that we can put together some more concrete data. That would be the ultimate as the reason I got into looking at and particpating in these types of finding's is to possilbly find out the best place to help get me to my grail.

edit: Takis if you read this... I do have all my results saved in word if that would help you out at all.

Send them on and I'll put them together with mine. We'll see what we get when we have 500 runs to compare.

By the way, great job!


Takis (El_Greco)
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Takis

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Sorry for the double post, but after studying Sincere's Stats closer I noticed that we both came to the same conclusion.

Baal is a better dropper. About 2/1 ratio on Unique/set items combined.

As for strickly TC87 items I think so far it's too close to call. The edge goes to the pits percentage wise do far.

As for time it takes to make both runs. Both of us are in agreement that it's almost the same. I ran Baal on mine on Players 3 but still it wasn't that much longer than the pits.

My personal conclusion:
Pits are great, but they don't have Baal on the end and he does make a difference. Especiall on players 3 when he's guaranteed a no drop. That means 1-3 unique's per run that you don't get at the pits.
Even at players 1 Baal by himself can double the output of the entire pits run.

SincereX13 can comment a little more on this.


Takis (El_Greco)
 

SincereX13

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To clear things up, I used my Zealot for runs :)

To comment about who is better to run... I'll agree w/ Takis 100%. This holds true especially for grailers. I'll try to sum up my thoughts in a coherent manner. For those who are grailing but only have a few of those thougher elite items to find I don't think we know the best place to run yet. However, if you are a grailer who still has a good portion of non Meph droppable items to find then I would say your best bet is to run Baal. Shear logic tells you that if you are finding sets and uniques at twice the number then you are going to be finding grail items at a faster pace.
 

SideShowBob

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Nice results and analysis! I am not too shocked that Baal drops a bit
better than The Pit. It is just daunting getting to the old boy IMO.
Congrats on the great Grail finds! :)

Takis: If you are interested in a copy of my Pindle run results, I can
send them to you as well.
 

Zertuals_Ovrlrd

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IMO, the difference between running the pits and running Baal, is difficulty. From these results we can see that running Baal is better, but it is also quite a bit harder to run than the pits.

If you have a character that can do Hell Baal runs well, than that will probably be your best choice to run. However, for people who may not yet have a character capable of running Baal, the pits are easier to run, and come in at a close second, as far as drops are concerned, so they would be a good choice to run.

Of course there is the third option of running them both.

Z_O
 

Death_StrikeR

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well, i dont agree in you with respect with my first 10-15 p8 pit runs,
just found green col blade, scissors suwwayah, sacred armor and troll belt :D
oh, and a gold legendary mallet and war spike :D

consider me a very very lucky greedy grailer :lol:
 

Takis

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SideShowBob said:
Takis: If you are interested in a copy of my Pindle run results, I can send them to you as well.
Send them to me if you don't mind. Also it would be helpful if you tell me the average length of your run (time wise) and if you cleared out your way to Pindle or just head straight to him. Also if all the Items were from Pindle and his croonies or did some come from monsters on the way to Pindle.

No need to get real technical, just want to get a sense of the run length so I can compare.


Thanks
Takis (El_Greco)

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