Re: 1.13C bots are outta control
no dude then there will be PVP bots and they pwn u like peanuts.
no dude then there will be PVP bots and they pwn u like peanuts.
1.13C bots are outta control
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reddude
Diabloii.Net Member
Re: 1.13C bots are outta control
Also, my solution to ad bots is to either quickly squelch them in the party window as they join (im getting good at it
) or if i'm fighting something I just pound the 'n' key until they shut up
This made me laugh
Also, my solution to ad bots is to either quickly squelch them in the party window as they join (im getting good at it
) or if i'm fighting something I just pound the 'n' key until they shut up Zero Tolerance
Diabloii.Net Member
Re: 1.13C bots are outta control
Hello DII community. Nice to find you. I've frequented this site because it's still active and I'm still trying to figure out how to solo Uber Trist with my Summonmancer because I can't stand the pervasiveness of Hammerdins.
So here is my story. I'm hoping this is a "natural" bump.
Once upon a time ago, everyone built Smiters and Blizzard sorcs. Yall remember that? Then Blizzard sorcs became meteorbs when Hell mode became HELL (to defeat the immunities). Poor lightning sorcs, nobody bothered with because they didn't even have the synergies they have now. Well, it was in those days that I determined to be different, building a light sorc that could solo its way through hell. I did foolish things like max thunder storm, static field.
Let me tell you that I have been playing DII since day one. I'm talking Babbages (before EB bought out everyone).
And I have never found my own High Rune. We're talking over a decade of legit play over several ladder seasons.
In fact, the highest rune my Hell Forge has ever dropped was an ist. Most recently, as in just a week ago, I discovered that runes drop with a higher probability, so I figured I could acquire some wealth. My necromancer's HellForge dropped an Um, and my Sorc? Io.
A
****ing
Io
from my Hell Forge.
But the last straw pre-dated that, when I would build multiple characters to get them grushed to hell forges only to collect a pul at the end, or I would get "rushed for forge" and it would drop a Pul and the person rushing me would WTF and leave.
---
I can't stand the bot-bombs either, which is why I now host games with level restrictions (on West...on East I hear that there are lv 90 bots). But with all things, if you hear/see it enough times, you'll begin to believe it.
Or at least I did.
So, never getting any HRs. Never even SEEING a HR in those bot-hosted Baal-Beatdowns, in the summer of 2009, I started buying items.
Ah, narrative lapse. Let me say that I have found ONE SoJ my entire DII career (hint: my post length…I’m a writer). It was in a destroyable pot or barrel in Act II on my way to fight Radiment. I identified it and sure enough it was a SoJ, but this was also in the 56k days (when cable internet was prohibitively expensive) and I or bnet lagged out and I lost my SoJ never to find another legit one again.
So yeah, back to buying items. As you know, it is possible to get through hell with a single-element sorc, but I wanted to be able to Hell rush people for free (charity, my contribution to the community, etc), but I needed an infinity. So I bought my first item from one of those vendors yall hate.
It was an awesome feeling to be able to kill lightning immunes. Made MF runs easier to do.
After that, I bought a bunch of stuff that I not only would have never found (and still have not), but I even LEARNED of stuff I didn't even know existed in the game. Arach mesh? Griffon's eye? Mara's? Who in the world finds that kind of stuff? Eschuta's? I though the best orb in the game for sorcs was occy!!!
I did find my own Shako, chances, magefist, and war travs. I traded for my Waterwalks and Marrowalks (for my necro) and my naj's puzzler (also for my necro so I could teleport...no enigma). I tag-teamed with a guy I met randomly on bnet who happened to be nice and he found the armor for my tal's set (I found the other pieces). We covered more ground doing our andy/meph runs separately.
Then I discovered FG, which, at that time, was cheaper than paying cash over paypal. I still have that account, but when I found out about 1.13 and the ladder reset (I’m way late). I decided to get back in DII. This time, I straight-away bought TWO infinities, two arach’s, and a griff’s. This cost me $10, which also gave me two free SoJ from this particular site. They were late with their deliveries, so I accumulated “points†with them and grabbed a few more things for “free,†including an enigma for my necro.
My first enigma. So no more expensive naj recharging (which I found this time trailing a bot who was alone and didn’t pick up after killing Baal). But that’s going on my melee assassin who I hope to accumulate Nat’s Set again.
Also, this time and last time, I always buy an anni because the probability of me ever seeing my own Uber Diablo is what, once-in-a-career-of-playing-DII?
So yeah, I guess I’m one of those people who keep those people in “business,†since it does not take much to run a bot. Maybe there’s some kind of “spirit of the game†or “the way the game was intended†you might be thinking about, but if Blizzard, someone else would figure out how to run a business so that people like me, who are what, 10+ years older than when I first played DII, who have a wife, kids, career and can’t afford to manually do 100 MF runs to find jack ****, can simply drop a few bucks and enjoy the game.
Again.
So that’s how I found this topic, actually. Today, the wifey was sick and the kids were at school so I was able to do about 10 MF runs in a row. I did:
Countess
The Pit (remember when I found an Io on my Hell Forge? I found an Um on my FIRST RUN here. Unbelievable, this game).
Andy
The Summoner
Meph
River of Flame
Chaos Santuary (twice)
Pindleskin (I talked to friggin anya on accident D’oh)
Nith
I did the maggot queen once and decided it was too dangerous, not worth it. I also tried to hit up that tomb in Act 1 near where the evil rogue was, but it was lame, so I didn’t go back.
In those 10 runs, I found some Gores. The boots. Not a single key dropped. Not even a single perfect gem. I did get a +1 shadow skills/29 health GC, so I guess that’s worth something? IDK, but I wanted at least some keys and out of 10 runs, ZERO dropped.
One thing I didn’t mention is that I met someone who DOES run a bot and he has been very generous, dumping on me all kinds of free stuff because he can afford to. I don’t mind the charity at all, because it saves me the time of grinding MF. I didn’t get into DII to grind MF but grind XP, and after that, pwn PvM.
But that ZERO DROP series of MF runs that I did manually had me googling “1.13 bot,†and I found this topic. Just though I would add my perspective, even knowing that that guy got banned 3 posts in talking about hardcore bots.
Just thought you all should know a different view.
Hello DII community. Nice to find you. I've frequented this site because it's still active and I'm still trying to figure out how to solo Uber Trist with my Summonmancer because I can't stand the pervasiveness of Hammerdins.
So here is my story. I'm hoping this is a "natural" bump.
Once upon a time ago, everyone built Smiters and Blizzard sorcs. Yall remember that? Then Blizzard sorcs became meteorbs when Hell mode became HELL (to defeat the immunities). Poor lightning sorcs, nobody bothered with because they didn't even have the synergies they have now. Well, it was in those days that I determined to be different, building a light sorc that could solo its way through hell. I did foolish things like max thunder storm, static field.
Let me tell you that I have been playing DII since day one. I'm talking Babbages (before EB bought out everyone).
And I have never found my own High Rune. We're talking over a decade of legit play over several ladder seasons.
In fact, the highest rune my Hell Forge has ever dropped was an ist. Most recently, as in just a week ago, I discovered that runes drop with a higher probability, so I figured I could acquire some wealth. My necromancer's HellForge dropped an Um, and my Sorc? Io.
A
****ing
Io
from my Hell Forge.
But the last straw pre-dated that, when I would build multiple characters to get them grushed to hell forges only to collect a pul at the end, or I would get "rushed for forge" and it would drop a Pul and the person rushing me would WTF and leave.
---
I can't stand the bot-bombs either, which is why I now host games with level restrictions (on West...on East I hear that there are lv 90 bots). But with all things, if you hear/see it enough times, you'll begin to believe it.
Or at least I did.
So, never getting any HRs. Never even SEEING a HR in those bot-hosted Baal-Beatdowns, in the summer of 2009, I started buying items.
Ah, narrative lapse. Let me say that I have found ONE SoJ my entire DII career (hint: my post length…I’m a writer). It was in a destroyable pot or barrel in Act II on my way to fight Radiment. I identified it and sure enough it was a SoJ, but this was also in the 56k days (when cable internet was prohibitively expensive) and I or bnet lagged out and I lost my SoJ never to find another legit one again.
So yeah, back to buying items. As you know, it is possible to get through hell with a single-element sorc, but I wanted to be able to Hell rush people for free (charity, my contribution to the community, etc), but I needed an infinity. So I bought my first item from one of those vendors yall hate.
It was an awesome feeling to be able to kill lightning immunes. Made MF runs easier to do.
After that, I bought a bunch of stuff that I not only would have never found (and still have not), but I even LEARNED of stuff I didn't even know existed in the game. Arach mesh? Griffon's eye? Mara's? Who in the world finds that kind of stuff? Eschuta's? I though the best orb in the game for sorcs was occy!!!
I did find my own Shako, chances, magefist, and war travs. I traded for my Waterwalks and Marrowalks (for my necro) and my naj's puzzler (also for my necro so I could teleport...no enigma). I tag-teamed with a guy I met randomly on bnet who happened to be nice and he found the armor for my tal's set (I found the other pieces). We covered more ground doing our andy/meph runs separately.
Then I discovered FG, which, at that time, was cheaper than paying cash over paypal. I still have that account, but when I found out about 1.13 and the ladder reset (I’m way late). I decided to get back in DII. This time, I straight-away bought TWO infinities, two arach’s, and a griff’s. This cost me $10, which also gave me two free SoJ from this particular site. They were late with their deliveries, so I accumulated “points†with them and grabbed a few more things for “free,†including an enigma for my necro.
My first enigma. So no more expensive naj recharging (which I found this time trailing a bot who was alone and didn’t pick up after killing Baal). But that’s going on my melee assassin who I hope to accumulate Nat’s Set again.
Also, this time and last time, I always buy an anni because the probability of me ever seeing my own Uber Diablo is what, once-in-a-career-of-playing-DII?
So yeah, I guess I’m one of those people who keep those people in “business,†since it does not take much to run a bot. Maybe there’s some kind of “spirit of the game†or “the way the game was intended†you might be thinking about, but if Blizzard, someone else would figure out how to run a business so that people like me, who are what, 10+ years older than when I first played DII, who have a wife, kids, career and can’t afford to manually do 100 MF runs to find jack ****, can simply drop a few bucks and enjoy the game.
Again.
So that’s how I found this topic, actually. Today, the wifey was sick and the kids were at school so I was able to do about 10 MF runs in a row. I did:
Countess
The Pit (remember when I found an Io on my Hell Forge? I found an Um on my FIRST RUN here. Unbelievable, this game).
Andy
The Summoner
Meph
River of Flame
Chaos Santuary (twice)
Pindleskin (I talked to friggin anya on accident D’oh)
Nith
I did the maggot queen once and decided it was too dangerous, not worth it. I also tried to hit up that tomb in Act 1 near where the evil rogue was, but it was lame, so I didn’t go back.
In those 10 runs, I found some Gores. The boots. Not a single key dropped. Not even a single perfect gem. I did get a +1 shadow skills/29 health GC, so I guess that’s worth something? IDK, but I wanted at least some keys and out of 10 runs, ZERO dropped.
One thing I didn’t mention is that I met someone who DOES run a bot and he has been very generous, dumping on me all kinds of free stuff because he can afford to. I don’t mind the charity at all, because it saves me the time of grinding MF. I didn’t get into DII to grind MF but grind XP, and after that, pwn PvM.
But that ZERO DROP series of MF runs that I did manually had me googling “1.13 bot,†and I found this topic. Just though I would add my perspective, even knowing that that guy got banned 3 posts in talking about hardcore bots.
Just thought you all should know a different view.
Zero Tolerance
Diabloii.Net Member
Re: 1.13C bots are outta control
Bonus post:
As an added frustration, I was running Nith and he popped me in 1 hit with corpse explosion. He was my first location, so the game hadn't permed yet. On my sorc, I had
occy
spirit
Shako (ptopaz)
magic MF ring (24%)
magic MF ring (24%)
magic mf ammy (27%)
chance gloves (28%)
war trav (35%)
Goldwrap
Skulldur's ire (100% MF which is my main armor anyway because I have not found Vipermagi or a Light sorc Ormus yet)
So I die and respawn. I want to get my corpse back, so I put on my
SoJ x2
arach mesh
Griff eye
Mara
all of which I bought. I go back and die again. Now, with no inventory, there's no way I'm getting back to Nith without losing like, all my gold, right?
So I leave the game and come back. I pick up my body with the original inventory, then go to get the other one.
It
is not
there.
I did a few googles to find out about Blizzards "most valuable body" script. And yes, those are the items I paid for. Owned? Perhaps. But I had enough "points" to place another order. Loyal customer benefit, I guess.
Bonus post:
As an added frustration, I was running Nith and he popped me in 1 hit with corpse explosion. He was my first location, so the game hadn't permed yet. On my sorc, I had
occy
spirit
Shako (ptopaz)
magic MF ring (24%)
magic MF ring (24%)
magic mf ammy (27%)
chance gloves (28%)
war trav (35%)
Goldwrap
Skulldur's ire (100% MF which is my main armor anyway because I have not found Vipermagi or a Light sorc Ormus yet)
So I die and respawn. I want to get my corpse back, so I put on my
SoJ x2
arach mesh
Griff eye
Mara
all of which I bought. I go back and die again. Now, with no inventory, there's no way I'm getting back to Nith without losing like, all my gold, right?
So I leave the game and come back. I pick up my body with the original inventory, then go to get the other one.
It
is not
there.
I did a few googles to find out about Blizzards "most valuable body" script. And yes, those are the items I paid for. Owned? Perhaps. But I had enough "points" to place another order. Loyal customer benefit, I guess.
Re: 1.13C bots are outta control
Anyway, the chance of finding soj is 1/31 of every unigue ring drop when the monster lvl is good enough to drop soj in the first place. During all those years u found less than 100 unigue rings from monsters that could drop soj? Did u play like 1 hour a week? Something does not add up and it puts rest of your nice story into question aswell.
FYI grinding exp with overpowered items will get just as boring as mfing. Perhaps even more boring as u don't have the thrill of finding (u already have your bought über items -> all u find is of poorer quality). Just adding up more exp while your level stays 99 forever.
Huoh :coffee:
I don't know about the rest of your story, but atleast this part is complete crap. As u well know (having played from the very beginning) that before expansion u played classic. So u played years before expansion and u did not 'abuse' the fact that sojs could be easily gambled in the older patches?
Anyway, the chance of finding soj is 1/31 of every unigue ring drop when the monster lvl is good enough to drop soj in the first place. During all those years u found less than 100 unigue rings from monsters that could drop soj? Did u play like 1 hour a week? Something does not add up and it puts rest of your nice story into question aswell.
FYI grinding exp with overpowered items will get just as boring as mfing. Perhaps even more boring as u don't have the thrill of finding (u already have your bought über items -> all u find is of poorer quality). Just adding up more exp while your level stays 99 forever.
Huoh :coffee:
Zero Tolerance
Diabloii.Net Member
Re: 1.13C bots are outta control
Asking if I played an hour a week is just silly. Maybe my "luck" in finding items was crap because I never gambled. I've had crap luck with MF runs and I always needed gold to resurrect my wussy merc and then I died a lot (such as getting 1-hit by a cold enchanted monster in hell or corpse exploded by Nith). I know I've gambled less than 50 times in my DII career (50 is a safe guess...my gut tells me that 20 is a much closer number), so maybe that's a problem? IDK, but yesterday I hit one million gold in my treasury and I don't recall ever having that much at one time.
As far as the 1/30 SoJ drop rate, Yeahhhhhhhh RIIIIIIGHT! I've seen way too many magic and rare rings to believe that. And of the handful of unique rings I've seen (which btw, seem to only drop when I'm rushing someone and it's a "quest drop"), nagelrings and dwarf star.
As I said, when DII came out, I made a Necromancer, putting more than one point in curses and revives, investing in bone armor. Totally jacked up build. I also played on OPEN instead of online. I don't think I started playing online (seriously...remember, I had laggy 56k which is deadly in DII) until at least 2002 when I moved to college and could use my school's broadband. And even then, I didn't play online until my little brother got back into the game, informing me that they "changed everything" about the game. That is, he made a cold sorc, and they added synergies. So that's when I got back into the game when it "hooked" me.
That's when I really learned about MF runs, so perhaps it was my lack of DII knowledge which made me lead you to believe I've been around the whole time. I've had breaks. I played through the expansion with my necro and completed the quests once through hell and I didn't touch the game again until I came back and SoJs were the economy.
I found that laughable because I could never find one myself.
And I still can't.
So you say I need to start gambling? Which merchant? What skill level?
Asking if I played an hour a week is just silly.
Maybe my "luck" in finding items was crap because I never gambled. I've had crap luck with MF runs and I always needed gold to resurrect my wussy merc and then I died a lot (such as getting 1-hit by a cold enchanted monster in hell or corpse exploded by Nith). I know I've gambled less than 50 times in my DII career (50 is a safe guess...my gut tells me that 20 is a much closer number), so maybe that's a problem? IDK, but yesterday I hit one million gold in my treasury and I don't recall ever having that much at one time. As far as the 1/30 SoJ drop rate, Yeahhhhhhhh RIIIIIIGHT! I've seen way too many magic and rare rings to believe that. And of the handful of unique rings I've seen (which btw, seem to only drop when I'm rushing someone and it's a "quest drop"), nagelrings and dwarf star.
As I said, when DII came out, I made a Necromancer, putting more than one point in curses and revives, investing in bone armor. Totally jacked up build. I also played on OPEN instead of online. I don't think I started playing online (seriously...remember, I had laggy 56k which is deadly in DII) until at least 2002 when I moved to college and could use my school's broadband. And even then, I didn't play online until my little brother got back into the game, informing me that they "changed everything" about the game. That is, he made a cold sorc, and they added synergies. So that's when I got back into the game when it "hooked" me.
That's when I really learned about MF runs, so perhaps it was my lack of DII knowledge which made me lead you to believe I've been around the whole time. I've had breaks. I played through the expansion with my necro and completed the quests once through hell and I didn't touch the game again until I came back and SoJs were the economy.
I found that laughable because I could never find one myself.
And I still can't.
So you say I need to start gambling? Which merchant? What skill level?
krischan
Europe Trade Moderator
Re: 1.13C bots are outta control
I think we can summarize it like this: D2 is not suited to your way of playing. Drop chances are too low to expect finding HRs if you have a family to care for and thus lack the time to play the game intensively enough. Buying items for money makes no sense to me because (for PvM players) one of the major major points to play the game is finding loot, aka the way is the goal.
The chance for a unique ring to be a SoJ isn't generally 1 in 31. It's only like that for monsters which have the optimum monster level to drop a SoJ. Highher level monsters can drop a lot of other rings in addition which leads to a lower chance for a SoJ.
In order to do MF successfully, it's not enough to work through your list a dozen times, it's more like doing it a few thousands of times while wearing MF gear with leat's say a 300% bonus.
BTW, I found just two SoJs so far, but about a dozen HRs (Ohm or higher).
I think we can summarize it like this: D2 is not suited to your way of playing. Drop chances are too low to expect finding HRs if you have a family to care for and thus lack the time to play the game intensively enough. Buying items for money makes no sense to me because (for PvM players) one of the major major points to play the game is finding loot, aka the way is the goal.
The chance for a unique ring to be a SoJ isn't generally 1 in 31. It's only like that for monsters which have the optimum monster level to drop a SoJ. Highher level monsters can drop a lot of other rings in addition which leads to a lower chance for a SoJ.
In order to do MF successfully, it's not enough to work through your list a dozen times, it's more like doing it a few thousands of times while wearing MF gear with leat's say a 300% bonus.
BTW, I found just two SoJs so far, but about a dozen HRs (Ohm or higher).
Zero Tolerance
Diabloii.Net Member
Re: 1.13C bots are outta control
I don't know if it's fair to say that I paid good money for a game that still has functional servers and a thriving community unlike say, bungie.net., and I've outgrown it.
I think you missed some of what I have said. It's not that I expect to do 10 MF runs and find a HR. I have never found a HR in over a decade of playing.
I mean, I understand basic concepts of MF. I do run around with about 300 MF (317 to be exact).
Though I forgot one minor detail. I need to stop doing my own games and start "sniping" games where people are already in, such as trading games.
I don't know if it's fair to say that I paid good money for a game that still has functional servers and a thriving community unlike say, bungie.net., and I've outgrown it.
I think you missed some of what I have said. It's not that I expect to do 10 MF runs and find a HR. I have never found a HR in over a decade of playing.
I mean, I understand basic concepts of MF. I do run around with about 300 MF (317 to be exact).
Though I forgot one minor detail. I need to stop doing my own games and start "sniping" games where people are already in, such as trading games.
Re: 1.13C bots are outta control
I was only referring to classic. As from his earlier post i assumed he played from vanilla version onwards, which is same as many years of classic :nod:
MichelRPG
Diabloii.Net Member
Re: 1.13C bots are outta control
In the several years of playing D2LoD the highest 2 runes I ever found on the hellforge are Um and Ist. I managed to, at some point, get a fricking SOL on hell forge. It happens. Just because there is a CHANCE that a HR can drop doesnt mean that it will. Consider the hellforge a bonus chance of getting an HR.
In the many, MANY mf runs I have made, I pretty much found most of the D2 items (just not the hrs or a self-won torch). I have found amulets like highlords, perfect mara's, or rings such as Bul kathos. Entire sets with the exclusion of the griswold shield, or armors such as Tyreals or the Grandfather Sword. I found most of them. And guess what? I am possibly one of the most poor, crappier players you can find on this website.
You also mention the complaint that you lost a second body with stuff on it while retrieving your earlier body. Now, correct me if I'm wrong but shouldnt you have had years of D2 experience and KNOW that this doesnt work?
Now, there are several things here that I simply HAVE to adress.
You claim you do not find many HRS. Believe me: Most people do NOT find many hrs. It takes many hours of gameplay to find those if you intend to go hr hunting. I think in all my years of D2, I owned about 5-7 hrs (Vex, Jah, Gul, Ist, and a Ber come to mind). All self-found. And Ive been playing LoD for about 4-5 years I think, so thats one hr a year. And by no means did I play just a little. Entire lifetimes went into playing D2. Point is, it doesnt just happen and you needed to be EXTREMELY lucky to find one (esspecially in the older days).
The second part I noticed is how you got frustrated with not being able to kill immune enemies. While I personally understand this (considering I started D2 with a pure fire-hydra sorc... imagine my surprise in hellmode when carvers ate me for breakfast) it's still no excuse. It takes time, and patience, to learn how to get past such problems.
The third part is when you mentioned the areas to MF. I can only assume that you never bothered to check which areas would make for good MF areas.
Summoner = for keys
Andy/Mephisto = for items (though mephisto is faster and easier to reach)
Pits = good if you're not a skilled player and need to kill enemies fast for good items.
Pindleskin = he sucks. Ever since 1.11 came into play I never found a single good item off him. Easy to reach, but I disregard him.
Nihlatak is a major annoyance due to the tomb vipers bug. He HAS a chance to drop an HR and a key, but its so abysmall that I'd prefer to trade my other items for his keys.
And maggot lair? good god man, I hate the thought of going in there for the quest, much less run it for MF.
I can understand your reasons for actually buying items instead of opting to wait till you find them, but there are also forums like these, where you can trade off items. Hell, did you know that single gems (perfect amethysts for example) can be traded here very easily? And 3 flawless gems are very easy to find, cube em up to a perfect, and voila. If you gather, say, 30 perfect gems, you can trade them up for some nice items. No, not an infinity or something, but an occy is very doable. And you slowly but surely work your way up to a better geared character.
Again, I can understand your frustration, but I feel that a major part of that frustration could have been prevented by lowering your expectations of the drops and reading more about the game's mechanics.
I have personally considered once to buy items just because I couldn't find them myself. Then I joined this forum, and I found pretty much every item I ever wanted, and with some good luck and lots of trading, I managed to get myself an enigma, infinity, and lots of other stuff. And I can assure you the satisfaction from actually earning the gear yourself can't be compared to a "click here to buy" button achievement.
In the several years of playing D2LoD the highest 2 runes I ever found on the hellforge are Um and Ist. I managed to, at some point, get a fricking SOL on hell forge. It happens. Just because there is a CHANCE that a HR can drop doesnt mean that it will. Consider the hellforge a bonus chance of getting an HR.
In the many, MANY mf runs I have made, I pretty much found most of the D2 items (just not the hrs or a self-won torch). I have found amulets like highlords, perfect mara's, or rings such as Bul kathos. Entire sets with the exclusion of the griswold shield, or armors such as Tyreals or the Grandfather Sword. I found most of them. And guess what? I am possibly one of the most poor, crappier players you can find on this website.
You also mention the complaint that you lost a second body with stuff on it while retrieving your earlier body. Now, correct me if I'm wrong but shouldnt you have had years of D2 experience and KNOW that this doesnt work?
Now, there are several things here that I simply HAVE to adress.
You claim you do not find many HRS. Believe me: Most people do NOT find many hrs. It takes many hours of gameplay to find those if you intend to go hr hunting. I think in all my years of D2, I owned about 5-7 hrs (Vex, Jah, Gul, Ist, and a Ber come to mind). All self-found. And Ive been playing LoD for about 4-5 years I think, so thats one hr a year. And by no means did I play just a little. Entire lifetimes went into playing D2. Point is, it doesnt just happen and you needed to be EXTREMELY lucky to find one (esspecially in the older days).
The second part I noticed is how you got frustrated with not being able to kill immune enemies. While I personally understand this (considering I started D2 with a pure fire-hydra sorc... imagine my surprise in hellmode when carvers ate me for breakfast) it's still no excuse. It takes time, and patience, to learn how to get past such problems.
The third part is when you mentioned the areas to MF. I can only assume that you never bothered to check which areas would make for good MF areas.
Countess = for mid-level runes
Summoner = for keys
Andy/Mephisto = for items (though mephisto is faster and easier to reach)
Pits = good if you're not a skilled player and need to kill enemies fast for good items.
Pindleskin = he sucks. Ever since 1.11 came into play I never found a single good item off him. Easy to reach, but I disregard him.
Nihlatak is a major annoyance due to the tomb vipers bug. He HAS a chance to drop an HR and a key, but its so abysmall that I'd prefer to trade my other items for his keys.
And maggot lair? good god man, I hate the thought of going in there for the quest, much less run it for MF.
I can understand your reasons for actually buying items instead of opting to wait till you find them, but there are also forums like these, where you can trade off items. Hell, did you know that single gems (perfect amethysts for example) can be traded here very easily? And 3 flawless gems are very easy to find, cube em up to a perfect, and voila. If you gather, say, 30 perfect gems, you can trade them up for some nice items. No, not an infinity or something, but an occy is very doable. And you slowly but surely work your way up to a better geared character.
Again, I can understand your frustration, but I feel that a major part of that frustration could have been prevented by lowering your expectations of the drops and reading more about the game's mechanics.
I have personally considered once to buy items just because I couldn't find them myself. Then I joined this forum, and I found pretty much every item I ever wanted, and with some good luck and lots of trading, I managed to get myself an enigma, infinity, and lots of other stuff. And I can assure you the satisfaction from actually earning the gear yourself can't be compared to a "click here to buy" button achievement.
Re: 1.13C bots are outta control
@Zero Tolerance
Generally i dont complain too much when ppl play a GAME in a way that makes them have fun even tho if I might consider it strange etc.
Now i REALLY dont understand buying gear for PvM as with a mediocrum skill d2 is a quite easy game.
As for PvP I atleast can see an argument for buying gear to get a level playing field.
Now to why I object to YOU buying pixels, its the likes of you who when i create or join a public game i get spammed to ****
by spambots and what they do to what joke of d2 economy is left is even more sad.
Because most everything you can find will have zero worth as n+1 bots running 24/7 will have found thousands of said item.
Ps. I was about to circumvent the word filter but out of fear/respect for Gorny i didn't
Ds.
@Zero Tolerance
Generally i dont complain too much when ppl play a GAME in a way that makes them have fun even tho if I might consider it strange etc.
Now i REALLY dont understand buying gear for PvM as with a mediocrum skill d2 is a quite easy game.
As for PvP I atleast can see an argument for buying gear to get a level playing field.
Now to why I object to YOU buying pixels, its the likes of you who when i create or join a public game i get spammed to ****
by spambots and what they do to what joke of d2 economy is left is even more sad.
Because most everything you can find will have zero worth as n+1 bots running 24/7 will have found thousands of said item.
Ps. I was about to circumvent the word filter but out of fear/respect for Gorny i didn't
Ds.
Re: 1.13C bots are outta control
I'm sure people will throw drop rates and whatever at me, but I also have never found an SOJ in years of play. I've never found most of the top end elite gear. I've seen hundreds of white or magical shakos drop, but I've never seen a Harlequin Crest drop.
And more importantly, I don't particularly find slogging through hundreds of Meph, Pit, Chaos, or Andy runs one after another to be particularly "entertaining" or "fun." And the very fact that Blizzard makes this the only reasonable way to attain high end gear is exactly the kind of environment that causes these bots to thrive.
Everyone wants to point fingers at the botters and the people who buy botted gear, but there's a reason why this kind of environment exists in Diablo but not in a variety of other games, and it's quite simply because Blizzard's method of obtaining gear is completely archaic and formulaic. It's simply mindnumbing, endless, painstakingly boring repetition. And for people who claim that they "enjoy" that... well... I don't know what to say.
I have a 500 MF sorc. I've [masochistically] done hundreds of these runs before. I've found some decent items. I was very excited when I found my first Mara's, or my first HR, or my first arachnid mesh, but there's still dozens of high end items out there that I've never found. And yet, I feel like I've played through literally every pixel of space, every quest, every sidequest, and every ounce of novelty that this game has to offer.
Frankly, any additional amount of sludging through the game is not going to give me any more enjoyment. I would like to have the satisfaction of fielding a character decked out in the best possible gear, but the sheer terrifying number of ours to go through just to have a chance of that ever happening is not something that I particularly care for.
I've played through the game with just about every class. I've built multiple esoteric builds. I've run with terror from that randomly spawned boss that had MSLE or extra strong, extra fast, aura enchanted (Fanaticism). I've been screwed over by the mana burn bug repeatedly. I've played through the game and I feel like I've squeezed most, if not all, of the possible enjoyment I can.
Just once, I'd like to have decked out gear so I can make that "perfect" PvP character. And I'd greatly prefer if the game made that possible without subjecting me to millions more repetitions. But since it isn't, I'll happily trade with people, knowing that most of those HR's or high end runewords or Baal skiller charms are probably duped. And when I finally built that "perfect" character, I enjoyed playing it. Quite a bit more than I enjoyed playing my marginal, untwinked characters.
Face it, the game is old. The game is stale. I've done every quest multiple times, explored every area, killed every monster. I'm not going to get more enjoyment out of slogging out a game when I've done it dozens of times before. Now, going around with the "best" character possible gives me a sense of accomplishment and enjoyment that I haven't felt while playing the game normally for a while, and several people I know speak of the same. People are competitive and like to have high end gear. If you don't, there's no reason for you to MF at all. You've beaten the game, and if that's all there was to it, you should put it away, right?
I don't think that's fair. First off, how much money do you think these websites are legitimately generating? If you think it's anywhere near enough to live off of, you are probably way off. In fact, the vast majority of people who do this probably use it to gain a quick buck, and it's not because they have to, but because Blizzard has never firmly issued anything to stop them, even if they have the capability to do it.
I'm sure people will throw drop rates and whatever at me, but I also have never found an SOJ in years of play. I've never found most of the top end elite gear. I've seen hundreds of white or magical shakos drop, but I've never seen a Harlequin Crest drop.
And more importantly, I don't particularly find slogging through hundreds of Meph, Pit, Chaos, or Andy runs one after another to be particularly "entertaining" or "fun." And the very fact that Blizzard makes this the only reasonable way to attain high end gear is exactly the kind of environment that causes these bots to thrive.
Everyone wants to point fingers at the botters and the people who buy botted gear, but there's a reason why this kind of environment exists in Diablo but not in a variety of other games, and it's quite simply because Blizzard's method of obtaining gear is completely archaic and formulaic. It's simply mindnumbing, endless, painstakingly boring repetition. And for people who claim that they "enjoy" that... well... I don't know what to say.
I have a 500 MF sorc. I've [masochistically] done hundreds of these runs before. I've found some decent items. I was very excited when I found my first Mara's, or my first HR, or my first arachnid mesh, but there's still dozens of high end items out there that I've never found. And yet, I feel like I've played through literally every pixel of space, every quest, every sidequest, and every ounce of novelty that this game has to offer.
Frankly, any additional amount of sludging through the game is not going to give me any more enjoyment. I would like to have the satisfaction of fielding a character decked out in the best possible gear, but the sheer terrifying number of ours to go through just to have a chance of that ever happening is not something that I particularly care for.
I've played through the game with just about every class. I've built multiple esoteric builds. I've run with terror from that randomly spawned boss that had MSLE or extra strong, extra fast, aura enchanted (Fanaticism). I've been screwed over by the mana burn bug repeatedly. I've played through the game and I feel like I've squeezed most, if not all, of the possible enjoyment I can.
Just once, I'd like to have decked out gear so I can make that "perfect" PvP character. And I'd greatly prefer if the game made that possible without subjecting me to millions more repetitions. But since it isn't, I'll happily trade with people, knowing that most of those HR's or high end runewords or Baal skiller charms are probably duped. And when I finally built that "perfect" character, I enjoyed playing it. Quite a bit more than I enjoyed playing my marginal, untwinked characters.
Face it, the game is old. The game is stale. I've done every quest multiple times, explored every area, killed every monster. I'm not going to get more enjoyment out of slogging out a game when I've done it dozens of times before. Now, going around with the "best" character possible gives me a sense of accomplishment and enjoyment that I haven't felt while playing the game normally for a while, and several people I know speak of the same. People are competitive and like to have high end gear. If you don't, there's no reason for you to MF at all. You've beaten the game, and if that's all there was to it, you should put it away, right?
Re: 1.13C bots are outta control
Revert to version 1.06b and play single player (which was the last patch before expansion) and gamble your very first legit soj, just to be able to say: hey i found / gambled multiple legit sojs.
In 1.06b Item types with more than one unique (rings and amulets) have a specific order: it goes Nagel -> Manald -> SoJ for rings and Nokozan -> Eye of Etlich -> Mahim Oak for amulets. So if you have a Nagelring and a Manald in your stash you’ll always get a SoJ as your next unique ring, and carrying a Nokozan will grant an Etlich as your next unique amulet.
In that patch its very easy to gamble legit soj ^^
Anyway hitherto and Zero Tolerance = same person? Both write with the same style :whistling:
Well, since so many complain not to have found sojs in their entire 10 year d2 carreer, (when they must have played classics with MSLE ruling the game etc and still did not manage get their hands on soj, when sojs were everywhere) i have decided to provide an easy solution to you.
Revert to version 1.06b and play single player (which was the last patch before expansion) and gamble your very first legit soj, just to be able to say: hey i found / gambled multiple legit sojs.
In 1.06b Item types with more than one unique (rings and amulets) have a specific order: it goes Nagel -> Manald -> SoJ for rings and Nokozan -> Eye of Etlich -> Mahim Oak for amulets. So if you have a Nagelring and a Manald in your stash you’ll always get a SoJ as your next unique ring, and carrying a Nokozan will grant an Etlich as your next unique amulet.
In that patch its very easy to gamble legit soj ^^
Anyway hitherto and Zero Tolerance = same person? Both write with the same style :whistling:
Re: 1.13C bots are outta control
And I know about gambling SOJs. I've done it, and I know about the progression of unique rings, thank you very much. I said I've never found an SOJ; in other words, I've never had an SOJ drop in one of my games. This is not to say that I didn't have SOJs. In fact, most of the caster characters that I've made have used SOJs in their builds. But most of these were acquired via trades (and no doubt many of them were duped). You seem to misunderstand the sentiment that "never found" = "never used." How fortunate of us to have this wonderful "trade" feature implemented in Diablo 2; maybe you should try it. See? I can be condescending too!
And why would single player be relevant when we're talking about bots? I don't know about you, but I've never had a bot come to my single player game and spam my screen.
My point is that there is way too much groupthink here regarding "economy = bad." It's starting to resemble the wholly irrational argument Aristotle had against chrematistics. I see absolutely no fault against trading with people who are considerably wealthier than you, even if they give you remarkably one-sided deals. The fact of the matter is that Blizzard has the power to get rid of all these bots, but they choose not to. They are the ones that create an environment where botting is not only possible, but often the only means of attaining their high end items.
Play single-player. See how long it takes you to get that near perfect Enigma, that near perfect Grief, Last Wish, or Breath of the Dying, that Crown of Ages with those Ber runes, all of those Baal skiller charms, and so on and so forth. You can probably play this game 20 years "legitimately" and not actually attain half of that. You could well be past level 99 (and probably past level 120 if the game actually let you get that far) and still not have the "best" gear that the game implements. The low drop rates in this game are insane, and often the only way to get the top end gear is through botting, duping, or otherwise exploiting the game so to better your chances. Or, at the very least, trading and taking advantage of an economy where there's plenty of suppliers who do the aforementioned.
And I guarantee you that long before you legitimately acquire the best gear, you would have squeezed out any ounce of enjoyment, any iota of entertainment, from the game itself. And that's exactly the point. I see a huge flaw in gameplay if getting to level 99 is easier than getting the best gear. Level 99 should be the top, most rewarding accomplishment of all. I also see a huge flaw in gameplay if the only way to improve your equipment is to do endless, mind-numbing runs of the same areas over and over and over again, ad infinitum. There's no distinction for skill or talent; there's only a level of masochistic tolerance for how long you can sit at a computer and farm Meph, Pindle, Diablo, Andy, Baal, et cetera.
If Blizzard didn't want a game where people make bots that run on their computer overnight, then they shouldn't make a game where people are rewarded for botting on their computer overnight. It really is that simple. I'm not justifying the legitimacy or legality of botting. I'm only stating that I can completely understand why they exist. I'm also saying that the economy that these bots distort so quickly and readily can easily help "legit" players enjoy the game that much more. Personally, I find it more rewarding to I attain top end gear and create that "perfect" PvP character than I do when I find some unique trinket [that I'll probably never use] on my 35128th Baal run.
Same style in that we're both literate? I'm not sure I follow. I can see various differences in syntax and usage that would indicate that our writing styles differ significantly. But I guess you must be the linguistic expert around here. :whistling:
And I know about gambling SOJs. I've done it, and I know about the progression of unique rings, thank you very much. I said I've never found an SOJ; in other words, I've never had an SOJ drop in one of my games. This is not to say that I didn't have SOJs. In fact, most of the caster characters that I've made have used SOJs in their builds. But most of these were acquired via trades (and no doubt many of them were duped). You seem to misunderstand the sentiment that "never found" = "never used." How fortunate of us to have this wonderful "trade" feature implemented in Diablo 2; maybe you should try it. See? I can be condescending too!
And why would single player be relevant when we're talking about bots? I don't know about you, but I've never had a bot come to my single player game and spam my screen.
My point is that there is way too much groupthink here regarding "economy = bad." It's starting to resemble the wholly irrational argument Aristotle had against chrematistics. I see absolutely no fault against trading with people who are considerably wealthier than you, even if they give you remarkably one-sided deals. The fact of the matter is that Blizzard has the power to get rid of all these bots, but they choose not to. They are the ones that create an environment where botting is not only possible, but often the only means of attaining their high end items.
Play single-player. See how long it takes you to get that near perfect Enigma, that near perfect Grief, Last Wish, or Breath of the Dying, that Crown of Ages with those Ber runes, all of those Baal skiller charms, and so on and so forth. You can probably play this game 20 years "legitimately" and not actually attain half of that. You could well be past level 99 (and probably past level 120 if the game actually let you get that far) and still not have the "best" gear that the game implements. The low drop rates in this game are insane, and often the only way to get the top end gear is through botting, duping, or otherwise exploiting the game so to better your chances. Or, at the very least, trading and taking advantage of an economy where there's plenty of suppliers who do the aforementioned.
And I guarantee you that long before you legitimately acquire the best gear, you would have squeezed out any ounce of enjoyment, any iota of entertainment, from the game itself. And that's exactly the point. I see a huge flaw in gameplay if getting to level 99 is easier than getting the best gear. Level 99 should be the top, most rewarding accomplishment of all. I also see a huge flaw in gameplay if the only way to improve your equipment is to do endless, mind-numbing runs of the same areas over and over and over again, ad infinitum. There's no distinction for skill or talent; there's only a level of masochistic tolerance for how long you can sit at a computer and farm Meph, Pindle, Diablo, Andy, Baal, et cetera.
If Blizzard didn't want a game where people make bots that run on their computer overnight, then they shouldn't make a game where people are rewarded for botting on their computer overnight. It really is that simple. I'm not justifying the legitimacy or legality of botting. I'm only stating that I can completely understand why they exist. I'm also saying that the economy that these bots distort so quickly and readily can easily help "legit" players enjoy the game that much more. Personally, I find it more rewarding to I attain top end gear and create that "perfect" PvP character than I do when I find some unique trinket [that I'll probably never use] on my 35128th Baal run.
Re: 1.13C bots are outta control
If you want to enjoy what you "attain" go play open Bnet or sp where you can get even more "perfect" toons you can enjoy even more.
I have completed the game untwinked quite a few times its not HARD and all my toons are legit then again i have two toons that's a bit tainted by using stuff i traded on this site even then its mainly not to have to mule stuff when i want to play another char.
This means i don't have as many RW's as most other ppl but the game still have no real challenge PvM, what got me back to playing a bit now and then was ubertrist as it was a new challenge.
You claim that gear shouldn't be the ultimate goal but lv 99 should be, and then you talk about not wanting to grind !! wtf?
Do you think theres skill in a baal run ?
And about flaw in game play, diablo is a very old game
I was never originally designed for the strange ppl on this site who after beating it on hell still plays it several years later, we have come a long way from when GA burizazons where then end all of all cookie-cutters.
This doesnt take anything away from the fact that you support things that destroy the enjoyment for me and many others
My highest toon is lv 94 and i have gear aplenty i cant even be assed to mule shakos(the ones you never found in all your years of playing)
Its my main MF toon a single element tal set orber. @ 2,4k life 800 mana and i have no problem at all running any area or any boss even tho i admit i tend to avoid the pit as its a bit too many CI's to telestomp. this is with a merc not using any RW at all and he still tanks bosses and pit vipers alike
If you say i cant tele without insight, well make it so your tele cost 1 mana now you can
How much money they are legitimately generating?
Thats an easy one: None
But they generate enough money to keep them around and enough to warrant buying/generating new cd keys when bot gets banned so they can keep spamming the **** out of my pub games.
How can that botting and duping destroys what little economy there is for legit players when if I find a 26 maras
people say it has more or less no worth or "self use only" as some nolifers bot has found several perfect ones.
I guess i should stop rambling on before this becomes even more of a wall of text or i say things that get me banned.
So you're saying you dope yourself in a sporting event because you cant be assed enough to train propperly :/
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If you want to enjoy what you "attain" go play open Bnet or sp where you can get even more "perfect" toons you can enjoy even more.
I have completed the game untwinked quite a few times its not HARD and all my toons are legit then again i have two toons that's a bit tainted by using stuff i traded on this site even then its mainly not to have to mule stuff when i want to play another char.
This means i don't have as many RW's as most other ppl but the game still have no real challenge PvM, what got me back to playing a bit now and then was ubertrist as it was a new challenge.
You claim that gear shouldn't be the ultimate goal but lv 99 should be, and then you talk about not wanting to grind !! wtf?
Do you think theres skill in a baal run ?
And about flaw in game play, diablo is a very old game
I was never originally designed for the strange ppl on this site who after beating it on hell still plays it several years later, we have come a long way from when GA burizazons where then end all of all cookie-cutters.
This doesnt take anything away from the fact that you support things that destroy the enjoyment for me and many others
My highest toon is lv 94 and i have gear aplenty i cant even be assed to mule shakos(the ones you never found in all your years of playing)
Its my main MF toon a single element tal set orber. @ 2,4k life 800 mana and i have no problem at all running any area or any boss even tho i admit i tend to avoid the pit as its a bit too many CI's to telestomp. this is with a merc not using any RW at all and he still tanks bosses and pit vipers alike
If you say i cant tele without insight, well make it so your tele cost 1 mana now you can
Fair ?? what do you even mean ?
How much money they are legitimately generating?
Thats an easy one: None
But they generate enough money to keep them around and enough to warrant buying/generating new cd keys when bot gets banned so they can keep spamming the **** out of my pub games.
How can that botting and duping destroys what little economy there is for legit players when if I find a 26 maras
people say it has more or less no worth or "self use only" as some nolifers bot has found several perfect ones.
I guess i should stop rambling on before this becomes even more of a wall of text or i say things that get me banned.
Re: 1.13C bots are outta control
Anyway, I'm not an expert and I admit that my guess was based more on the fact that both of you have just made your first forum posts to diii.net after 10 years of playing. Furthermore, both post in this same thread and happen to have similiar views that pretty much go against this forums general attitude towards botting etc.
How long have u played? From vanilla? And u claim that u never had soj drop in classic. Everyone who played classic more than casually knows that claim is complete c r a p ^^
Must be really really hard to beat others in pvp, with your bought decked out toons. What i fail to understand is; how that could be rewarding and fun? Its like top class tennis player beating a casual player in a friendly match and after the game bragging about it. I mean where's the challence? :scratchchin:
Yep my bad. I really dÃd not see any differences in your writing styles and as u can see from my writing -> this is not my native language or even my first foreing language. To me they seemed pretty much the same.
Anyway, I'm not an expert and I admit that my guess was based more on the fact that both of you have just made your first forum posts to diii.net after 10 years of playing. Furthermore, both post in this same thread and happen to have similiar views that pretty much go against this forums general attitude towards botting etc.
How long have u played? From vanilla? And u claim that u never had soj drop in classic. Everyone who played classic more than casually knows that claim is complete c r a p ^^
Must be really really hard to beat others in pvp, with your bought decked out toons. What i fail to understand is; how that could be rewarding and fun? Its like top class tennis player beating a casual player in a friendly match and after the game bragging about it. I mean where's the challence? :scratchchin: