What Comes after Paragon 500?

Since the DiabloWikiParagon level system went in fans have been referring to “Paragon 500” as the achievement of leveling (at least) one character of all five classes to Paragon 100. Some players call Paragon 1000 doing it with one character of each gender, though I’d be much more impressed by someone doing it in Softcore AND Hardcore. Or just hardcore, since D3’s softcore without death penalties is purely a matter of time played… but what then?

What’s left for the player who has grinded until he can’t grind no more?

My WD just reached P100, completing all 5 classes, and I’m wondering what to do next.

Hardcore isn’t an option as I play on shared Internet, meaning anyone watching a video will drop latency to +1500. Going after godly gear… well, lets be honest, using what you get while playing there is little chance to have a single char with godly mitigation and DPS; it is possible to finish all classes up to P100 using decent self found, but that’s about it. Godly is out of the question unless RMAH, and games should be about skill and time, not paying someone else to do the work for me.

Maybe going after P1000?
Grimiku: Congrats on reaching Paragon 100 with all five classes, Nicator! That is a lot of time spent in Diablo III, and I think there is no harm in taking a break if you’re feeling burned out after all that. If you’re up for more Diablo III, though, I think the next step is completing all of the achievements if you haven’t already. We have a lot of changes planned for the future that might interest you, so you might want to keep an eye on the website, but no updates are planned for the immediate future.

I skimmed down the next page of that thread and have to admit I was surprised that people seemed honestly to be upset and/or surprised at Grimiku’s last sentence. The CMs have said that approximately 314 times since the Fan Site summit in June, usually by linking to one of the dev interviews from July when that point was made repeatedly by the devs, as they did everything but overtly say “we’re crunching on D3X now and won’t have any D3C content patches until after it’s been revealed later this year.”

The eternal “trolling or stupid” question about many B.net forum posters aside… what is the long term end game in Diablo 3? Forever item hunting, I guess, which was pretty much what people did in Diablo 2.

In fact, the Paragon 500 or 1000 thing is pretty much a Diablo 3 exclusive. If anyone maxed out a character of each class in D2, I never heard about it. I’m sure no one did it in D2C, since getting even one character to 99 was virtually impossible, as the incredible saga of GerBarb and RussBarb taught us.

Leveling speed in D2X varied greatly between patches, and I’m sure some players maxed out one character of each class, but it was never a “thing,” as far as I know. What would it even be called? There was no Paragon system, and no level 100. The “D2 Mega 693” doesn’t quite have the same ring, does it?

My main HC Monk recently passed my old retired softcore Monk to become my highest level character ever. She’s P85 now and I plan to reach 100 with her, but it’s not an urgent goal and I doubt I’ll ever level another character that far. How are you guys doing though? Anyone recently hit a P100 or a P500? Is that even a worthwhile goal, in your mind? And if not, what would be?

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25 thoughts on “What Comes after Paragon 500?

  1. I do not have any characters maxed out on paragon. Every time I get a pretty good flow going with leveling I get burned out by the grind. I have however recently switched to hardcore and am finding it much more fun than softcore side of diablo 3. On that side the RMAH is null and void (and I often why the complainers of the RMAH don’t just play exclusively on hardcore).

    The one hard part about be relativley new in the hardcore realm is everything on the gold auction house is EXPENSIVE!

  2. How many times has GERBarb died? And what level was the last time?

    Quite often 🙂 Almost everytime it occured due to lag.

    And people still play hc?

    • I interviewed some of the guys who did GerBarb and AFAIK they died very seldom if ever, and never late in the game. After all, there were big exp penalties in D2C upon death and past 95 all exp came from killing Diablo himself, so one death in the 90s would have set them back literally a dozen or more hours of group labor.

      • then your memory fails you mr. flux.

        that quote was from the wiki article you linked.
        under leveling progress.

        it’s gerbarb saying so themselves.

        Last time was at the beginning of level 97.

        and it’s not like rusbarb or swebarb didn’t die. deaths are unavoidable. it all evens out in the end.

  3. I don’t have time to play tons of D3. Hance I only have one character with good gear and of high Paragon level.

    Running very high MPs with 3 other skilled players who work together is fun and VERY rewarding. You are getting a lot of XP, a lot of legendaries, and it is challenging to stay alive (for certain classes).

    This is what I consider “end game”.

    Side note: I have zero intention of playing HC, and it would take a full article to explain why.

  4. “What’s left for the player that has grinded untill he can’t grind no more?”


    I spent 200 hours leveling very slowly and I only have one paragon 11 char and another Clvl.56 char (both softcore). I can’t imagine the time invested for someone who grinded 1000 paragon levels. Frankly, I don’t want to imagine, either.

    • that just your inexperienced (nothing bad with that, ofc) view…it really get quick exping when you know what you are doing and even better if you have group with good synergies…

      not sure when you started playing, but my first plvl 100 took really looong time, and it was barb, ffs…but my barb during plvl-ing rose from about 50k unbuff dps to 200k. and during all that I took pauses by playing DH and later wiz. and barb changed gear all the time. but, leveling wiz to high plvl (she is now 91) took only 2 months, and only gear change I remember after plvl50 was zuni pox i dropped that was upgrade…always playing on mp8+, in public games after 1.08, with aroud 900%+ to experience.

      and now, i took extended break from wiz, and am currently destroying everything with WD and CoB, in two weeks i guess i got to 42plvl. and all that while normal work 9-17 and so on, so only in about 10-20 hours i guess. it can be calculated rather easily, if you expect 70-120mil exp each hour, how long it would too you to get to plvl100…

  5. Play HC or go outside nubbies!

    Yes…I play on a 2 year old laptop (20-25fps)…share an internet connection…and I do lag quite often…

    No time for punk b*tches.

    • It’s fun to be elitist, but don’t take it too far. Or else you’re just opening yourself up for the person who plays HC entirely Ironborn. Or the one who doesn’t twink at all. Or does it only on MP10.

      People can play the game in different ways than you or I choose to and still enjoy it and aim for achievements. I’m open to criticizing someone who RMAHs their gear and then just leeches along in MP10 games, but we’re not the “play like we say you should” police.

  6. Where or when does d3 really end? The game feels like it ends for self found play with killing diablo at mp 0. Past that, the game is a grindfest to gear for high mp, which offers just more of the same experience. For mp over 0, you need to use the ah to progress with any speed. Once you start using the ah, it becomes clear the fastest progress is achieved by flipping or using rmah. And so paragon becomes irrelevant, other than as a bar to fill.

    So in the end, plvl 100 is pointless.

  7. I’m just trying to improve my skills in battle and find the most optimal and efficient build. I’ve played >1500h, watched a lot of streams and I all the time discover something new.

  8. My goal in this game is to get all achievements, and kill Diablo on Inferno difficulty with all ten of my characters.

    Also, my ten characters are one of each class, male, softcore, and one of each class female, hardcore.

    All my characters are level 60 and I’m like 83% or so on achievements so I’m pretty close to getting my goal, with the exception of some exceptionally long achievements.

  9. I’d really, really like to know what kind of time you have to invest to pull off something this insane. I imagine the number would be somewhere between sad and scary.

    • If you consider that there are usually (in a country with healthy holiday rules) 1800 hrs per year used for a full time job; So, the guy above that said he put 1500+ hours has almost 1 man year in. 1500 hours is also 2 months net time consumed. Or 0.2% of your life. Nothing compared to wow, I bet you there are people that have spent 2+% of their lives spent on wow’ing 🙂

      I am not saying it is good or bad, everyone should do what he wants 😉

  10. What’s the obsession with end game? Here’s the end game: you kill monsters because it’s fun. Here’s where it stops: you get bored and you play a different one.

    Somehow, people have it in their head that they’re supposed to play the game forever, and if you lose interest even despite triple digit hours spent playing in it, something is tragically flawed in its design.

    • No, the monsters are just nuisances that get in the way of finding items that you can frame and hang on a wall. Who the hell would fight monsters simply because they [i]enjoy[/i] it? [/sarcasm]

  11. I believe that if people are actually going for P1000 as a means of fulfilling the End Game, Blizzard should reward them with something a little more practical instead of just giving graphical changes to your avatar. This kind of commitment should be acknowledged by Blizzard and the D3 community.

    How about you reach P100, you get to give your follower a Helm?
    P200 and you can give your Paladin gloves? Better yet, you get to have 1 more passive!!!
    P300 and you can have the keyboard #5 active for a whopping 5 skills!!!
    P400 and you get to have all 3 followers running around with you (this is almost sarcasm as I find them somehow useless, but hey…)
    P500 and you can get another inventory tab.
    P600 and you get to save your build with a save feature
    P700 and you get to swap weapons ala D2. etc…

    Yes, I am aware that those examples are game changing, but someone with more creativity than me can think of less revolutionary rewards, but at least they should be better than a graphical change and an achievement.

    Give us something that is more rewarding, something that we can actually use.

    • Why?

      How about they add an achievement for 5 plvl100. Then 10 plvl 100 all barb, all dh, all wd, etc. Is that end game now for ocd people who have a compulsion to fill progress bars and complete achievements?

      Play til its not fun anymore, not play until you “do everything”

  12. OMG what idiots, but if you want waste your time, be my guest! I would never take paragons level 100 or 50 or 20 or 10. Its total waste of time!!

    Give you some tips for you who are paragon 500! take real Achievement, like Girlfriend? or get child ? =)

  13. It’d hard for me to give someone props for spending that much time on this game, It’s really not worth it. You have to be a pretty unintelligent person to continue playing this game when the odds are 98.9% stacked against you.

    This post not only blows my mind but saddens to to see blizzard encouraging him to do achievements. Even Kripp refused to do that, and people actually watch him…

    I feel awful for the guy that wasted his time on this abomination.

  14. In case you mised it Flux, there was some dude on the incgamers Hardcore strategy forum that supposedly has a hardcore P500 under his belt.

  15. D3 was temporarily over when Monster Hunter 3U came out. Much better game.

    I will return to D3 once I’m tired of MH3U. Hopefully by then the D3 exp will be out, and some of the major issues will have been resolved. Would love to see an no-AH option with increased drop rates.

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