Vote: Blood Thief Exploit Aftermath: Bans, Rollbacks, and Debate


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Blizzard has replied to some questions, comments, and complaints about how they handled Thursday’s Blood Thief/Shards exploit. There was lively debate in comments of our news thread, and lots of angry threads demanding that heads roll have been closed or deleted on Battle.net, but in a couple of cases a Blue had made some sort of reply. Blood Thief Exploit Aftermath: Bans, Rollbacks, and Debate:

Punishment suggestion for exploiters

Since we’ve all heard about the bloodshard exploit and the possibility of Blizzard banning the exploiters, I would like to propose the correct punishment for them. Reset their accounts completely, in season and non-season:

  • Lose all paragons
  • Lose all Characters
  • Lose all Items
  • Ban them from current season
  • Ban their accounts for one week
  • After said week, let them play again. This way there could be no dispute over value lost, but it will send a strong message to those who would like to continue abusing exploits and the exploiters will surely think twice…

    Personally I’d like Blizzard to post a list of the users they, if they ever going to that is, banned. Naming and shaming should be a good deterrent as well.

    Tyvalir: Hey guys, I just wanted to share a quick reminder with everyone, since I’ve seen a lot of threads popping up around this topic.

    It’s totally okay to share your thoughts and concerns here on the forums. In fact, that’s a big part of what people enjoy about them, and an important part of their purpose.

    While we welcome friendly and constructive discussions about the game and the community, we draw the line at making derogatory remarks about other players (even when they are made with the best of intentions for the community). These comments can wear away at our sense of community, and create a hostile atmosphere.

    If you believe someone was playing the game and using hacks or exploits, rather than make a post about it here, please send an e-mail to [email protected] and include as much detail about the hack or exploit as possible. Thank you!

    The reason why naming-n-shaming isn’t allowed, is because people will often do this in err, accusing innocent people of things they didn’t do.
    Tyvalir: The bottom line is that name shaming (of any kind) isn’t appropriate for these forums. It doesn’t result in constructive dialogue, no matter how well-intentioned an OP might be, and instead works to tear down the community.

    If your goal is to report hacks and exploits, or other types of exploitative behavior, there are tools both in-game and outside the game (as referenced in my previous post) which are far better suited to this purpose.

    All that said, this is really not the place to discuss what account actions should be taken against which individuals. Since that’s the direction this thread is headed, I’ll be locking it up.

    It’s interesting that Blizzard has (in recent years) relentlessly promoted people who stream their games, far in excess of any promotion (or even acknowledgement) of their fansites. And there’s no policy on Bnet about not linking to or publicizing streamers the rest of the time… but once a bunch of them start pushing some exploit, it’s forbidden to mention them or talk about what they did or how they were punished.

    As for the issue of punishment, what do you guys think should be done? Here’s a vote with the commonly-suggested punishments, arranged in a sort of sliding scale of retribution. Pick the one that most closely aligns with what you think should be done, and hit the comments if you’d like to plead with the mercy of the court, incite more vengeance than a Demon Hunter, or instruct others on the error of their opinions.

    How should Blizzard punish those who exploited the Blood Shard trick?

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    1. I think the rollback was enough amazingly effective. You get to see it with the big exploiters of a certain clan with all of them being either pre 70 or 1-2 paragon lvl 70s.

      A lot of these guys were p600+ and they lost all those hours and then some. And it wasn't like they didn't know what they were doing or surprised by it working they did this for hours up hours and were on average 150k more shards than everyone else.

      These people will eventually be back to where they were but they definitely lost a weeks worth of work.

    2. I like that suggestion of completely erasing the progress of the people who massively exploited the bug. Having to completely start over with no characters, no paragon levels, no gear, no achievements, and no ability to play this season … that's the sort of deterrent that would keep people honest in the future when exploits like this "go wide".

      I don't think the streamers who publicized it should be punished in the same way, unless they also abused it heavily.

      The reality is that this bug was known and reported during PTR and Blizzard, as is their habit, left it in the game and basically bet the integrity of this season on it not becoming widely known.

      It seems more and more in recent years that the only way to get Blizzard to address broken mechanics like this is to make sure as many people as possible know.

      • "The reality is that this bug was known and reported during PTR and Blizzard, as is their habit, left it in the game and basically bet the integrity of this season on it not becoming widely known."

        Source?

    3. Bans are too much for these non-serious exploits. It’s really simple:

      1) Rollback every single exploiter to before the exploit was introduced/discovered.

      2) Ban all exploiters from leaderboards for at least one season (permanent for repeat offenders).

      This way people who exploit to get ahead learn that they’ll instead end up behind – in this case losing all progress since the last major patch. And even if they do get ahead legit no one will know or care without access to the leaderboards. Hopefully this solution would allow D3 to retain its elite, veteran players while providing them proper incentive to play legit.

    4. Their Battletag should be written in scarlet letters.

      • I find it interesting that so many people want a 'public shaming' style of punishment.

        • I brought this up on the podcast last night and both guests disagreed. One of the chief tenants of any fair system of justice is transparency. Where the charges and punishment are matters of public record, if not the actual courtroom arguments and jury deliberations.

          That's exactly what we don't have with this. Blizzard is judge and jury and there's no public disclosure of who was accused, their crimes, their punishment or not, and there's no means for appeal for the guilty or way for the public (we players) to see if things were handled fairly or not.

          Obviously Blizzard is a private entity and can run things as the wish (and they do) but I'm surprised how many fans are like, "Yes, do whatever you guys want as long as I'm not directly affected. You know best. I can't handle the truth!"

    5. Publicizers is an ambiguous term. If someone posts a stream of an exploit and says, Blizzard needs to fix this, that’s a community service. It’s possible to publicize a bug without exploiting it.

      With that in mind, I think they should roll back everyone who exploited the bug. I don’t think I’d ban anyone, except maybe serial repeat offenders.

      I don’t like forums where there are things everybody knows that you can’t talk about—that’s why I prefer to hang out in active, intelligent third-party forums like this one. 🙂

      • If someone streams how an exploit is done he or she is a publicizer. Clear as day, no questions about it. Same if they write a post about it on any forums. I don't consider the spreading of information that undermines the leaderboards or the idea of fairplay a community service, just the opposite in fact. Blizzard has a dedicated email address for these kinds of things for a reason.

    6. I wouldn't go as far as ban people's accounts. I would, however, strike their names from the leader-boards permanently.

    7. It seems like Blizzard rolled back some people, and banned others. Not sure why this inconsistent approach was taken. I'm thinking of Mannercookie in particular here – getting banned for presumably the shard exploit while the DNA clan gets rolled back only?

      Not sure I understand the need for two different levels of penalties. I'm not an MC fan or anything like that, but he was one of the few HC streamers and produced content of some value at least.

    8. How should Blizzard punish dem som exploited the Blood Shard trick?

      In my opinion, should their characters to be deleted, they know what they're doing
      and no matter how many hours they have spent and what they will lose, it's the only way to get rid of the kind of guys. In the old days people lost everything when they were found cheating in one way or another

    9. I hate to say it, but (some) of you are sick… You need to take a good look at yourselves before thinking about punishing others. Blood Shard bug abuse, or any bug abuse, especially in D3 is a victimless 'crime'. So why should there be punishments?

      The people calling out for radical punishments & public naming are the picture perfect example of one of the major wrongs with so called human civilization. Communities love to inflict public harm on others using the mantra of 'justice'. This is why there will always be Nazi like institutions popping up somewhere. Someone does something that you don't like based on principal, so you give someone else powers to enforce the moral code. Next thing you know, YOU'RE the one on the receiving end of 'justice'.

      Think about it, people. It doesn't amount to a hill of beans here, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if given the opportunity, people voting like this here in this gaming forum would also vote/support similar measures in the real world.

      • I am in total agreement with what you said. In the other post I commented that I think the whole thing is Blizzards fault and players shouldn't be punished since the exploit didn't hurt anyone's game, since ROS has a closed economy. This whole mess was just a black-eye for Blizzard and they needed a whipping boy, and the community is ok with blaming the wrong party, as long as they get their sense (as you put it) justice.

        Not to derail the topic but you are so right about how people act in masses.

      • ADest, I agree partially with what you have to say with regards to shaming and abusing people.

        But, cheating during seasons is NOT a victimless crime. There are people sinking hours of their lived into this game with the hopes of coming out on top. To have their chances, for winning the number 1 position, lessened by a cheat is unfair to them. No one should have an advantage via cheats.

        So, while I agree that public shaming, naming and blaming is a negative thing. Action against cheaters, and which action should be taken, IS an appropriate topic for daiblo forums during a ladder season.

        • I'll admit, I forgot about seasons when I originally posted, and their leaderboards. Still, because this was a bug and not a hack, they did have to put quite a bit of time into actually finding bloodshard goblins. They can't be found in Greater Rifts. That was time spent away from gem leveling and the like.

          Bloodshards are also capped, so they have to actually stop and gamble at regular intervals. They couldn't just farm up 100k worth of shards as some posters have suggested, go to Kadala, and repeat instantly. I would say a rollback of the leaderboards would be sufficient, as it was the only part of the game potentially affected. The right thing to do (and what Blizzard had done in the past) would have probably been to just fix the bug.

    10. Let the people keep their shards, items, whatever but flag them as cheaters / exploiters with a cheaters banner 😉 Also remove them from leader boards for the remainder of the season. In essence they have also ruined the gaming experience for them selves..

      Although D3 isn’t wildly competitive by nature there still are competitive elements such as leaderboards and brawling in the game. In all fairness wouldn’t it be ok to see that whoever you are fighting in the “arena” have gained all their ancient gear by farming zillions of shard using the “bug”?

      Personally I don’t care about brawling or leader boards, but if I did I wouldn’t want to lose out because some people found a shortcut and exploited it.

    11. I don't think publicizing should get any extra punishment, they are the reason the exploit gets fixed at all. I think a rollback for anyone who used the exploit is the way to go.

    12. Is a little surprised that so many defenders exploited the Blood Shard trick?
      as well as accusations Blizzard for it.
      In the old days, people used maphack and other tricks that will dudes then claim it is also blizzards fault that it was possible and it is their programming that is causing it. Either way, there are people who will cheat at any cost and therefore must pay a price period!

    13. Get cheap diablo games in steam and play together

    14. Everyone should be banned by simple rules.
      For every unfair shard gained you take a 20s temporary ban.

      if you exploited once and got 2500 shards, you get a 14h Temp ban.
      if you cheated like crazy and got 500k shards you get a 116 days Temp ban (ban until the end of S3 ).

      This is how i would do it i guess.

    15. Its simple,There should be one crime for cheating & exploits are cheating. Ban all who cheat. The only reason players call for leniency is because they themselves & or there clan are cheaters.

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