Diablo 3 Podcast #189: Botting and Blizzcon ’15 Dismay

The hiatus has ended and The Diablo Podcast returns with a new show. Conversation about Season 4, Monk superiority, runaway botting, solo play irrelevance, and the D3-disappointment that is Blizzcon 2015. Featuring N3rdwards, Muggs, and Flux.

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Diablo 3 Podcast #189: Botting and Blizzcon ’15 Dismay

  • 0:50 — Recent play stories and Season 4 anecdotes. Nerdwards still Wizarding, Muggs with 4 Monks and pushing P1000.
  • 4:40 — Class imbalance in S4. Best party = 3 Monks + 1 Barb. No need for class equality?
  • 9:00 — Party play required for any chance at competitive experience gain. 150 billion in 4p vs. 3 billion solo. Why such a broken system? Paragon system creates an inevitable EXP focus?
  • 20:00 — Massive lag bugs this season. Game-breaking for Hardcore?
  • 24:00 — Flux explains his hiatus (real life massive work) and reflects how every bug and issue from PTR 2 months ago is now dominating the Season.
  • 27:00 — Class variety in S4. Where are the Crusaders, Wizards, and Demon Hunters?
  • 40:00 — Party co-op pushing players into pre-set roles. More fun for MP or limiting in roles?
  • 45:00 — Botting ruining D3. The fansite open letter to Blizzard will earn a response? Why does Blizzard host admitted botters on “Play Your Way” and promote botting streamers?
  • 57:10 — Blizzcon 2015 and Diablo 3’s phone booth display + 1 panel. Slaughtered Hopes Inn?
  • 1:03:00 — Strategy simplified by watching streamers do OP things. Cookie Cutterism rules.
  • 1:13:00 — Plans for the rest of the season. N3rdwards joining the Monk bandwagon? Flux sees no reason to try and jump back in now.

  • The Diablo 3 Podcast Episode Guide in DiabloWiki.net provides links to every show, plus quick summaries.


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    1. Keep your head up, Flux!

    2. I agree that paragon needs an overhaul if you want it to be interesting, but I think that depends on the premise that we care about the leaderboards. Paragon exists because Diablo 2 took a long time to get to level 100 while D3 is quick to get to leve 60/70 and needs to be because the game doesn’t start until then.

      One of the problems is, as mentioned, that the paragon levels are too powerful. This is more a product of the main stat damage/toughness translation being horribly flawed. D2 stats weren’t nearly as powerful. Strength and dex were more about necessity than beneficial and Vitality was important, but assuming every level you put 5 points in vit, going from level 80 to 100 wasn’t a big deal.

      So the real issue is that paragon levels don’t exist for the leaderboards. D3 needs an endgame to keep people playing since there’s no need to reroll if you want to try another build. If you want to compete for the top GR clear, without paragon it becomes a race to complete X rather than a contest as to how high you can go. If we’re 2+ months into the season and you’re complaining about paragon levels requiring optimal exp farming, you’re ignoring the alternative. You’re playing past the point where players would cap out without indefinite power growth.

      So ultimately, there’s no issue here. Clearing GR 50, GR 60, GR 70, it doesn’t really matter. Since there’s no cap on GR, and no cap on Paragon levels, it IS all about how much you play and how much you maximize your efficiency. You shouldn’t be complaining about the game that you signed up to play. It’s like signing up for a marathon and then complaining that it’s only people with more stamina beating you, and that you should win since you’re the fastest and have the best technique. Most people don’t care about leaderboards, they just don’t like spending 2 hours farming and getting nothing out of it. Getting a couple level ups that make you stronger satisfies the instant-gratification culture we have.

    3. Regarding lag, the floating point argument isn’t something I’m buying. If the game had smaller numbers, they could use smaller variables. I don’t think that would solve their problems, but the answer they gave is really misleading. Saying “small numbers wouldn’t fix it” isn’t true unless they add “if we did nothing else.” It’s like saying that it costs just as much to store 1MB of data as it costs to store 1.5TB of data if you only use 2TB hard drives.

      I personally did start experiencing much worse performance when they changed the server architecture or whatever. I upgraded my PC at the start of this year with not only a significantly better graphics card, CPU, and RAM, but I also switched from a single HDD to running D3 off an SSD. My internet is also really good with ~175MBPS and high levels of consistency. Yet when I play D3, my game freezes often for short period. It’s not freezing like there’s a problem, it freezes as if it’s loading something. It runs fine and is more than playable, but it shouldn’t be freezing at all. My graphics card should be running it at 60FPS on max settings, my internet shouldn’t cause any hiccups, so either the way the game is streaming data from my hard drive is flawed, or the game is stopping because the server stops sending me data.

    4. Please adjust your mics in the future, its very annoying to listen sometimes. (At least increase the distance from your mouth to the mic)

      • That might have been my fault.  I got a brand new headset right before the podcast and did not have time to test is thoroughly before the podcast.  I apologize and it should be cleared up for the next one.

        • No need to apologize! I just thought I would mention it to improve the quality and enjoyability of the podcasts! 😀

    5. Added the YT link for video embed. Bad code was preventing it from displaying properly.

      • Welcome back Flux! We missed you.=> Please allow me to make a polite comment out of caring:~~Being a very negative person, many bad things rushed to my mind due to your absence. I thought maybe the site was sold and they sacked you, you had an argument and left, and -the worst probability (God forbid)- something awful happened to you or you experienced a personal tragedy.~~I kicked myself for not getting your email address or any kind of other methods of communication. I looked deeply into your personal blog/website, still could not find any info for communication. Not that any of that would have helped in this situation.~~I begged for an explanation or announcement here, but my posts were deleted. I don't know others, but I was totally in the dark.~~Anyway, what I am trying to say is that there is no shame in being a hardworking person or a working man/woman.~~Elly or the site admins, or any of your knowledgeable friends could have shared a bit of information saying "he is dealing with longer hours at work due to seasonal shifts/needs" and let us know. On their part, this is a very poor information management.~~I am greatly happy that you are fine and you are back. Thanks for growing into occupying a big part of my gaming life and a special place in my heart (especially with those awfully charming sarcastic jokes) in the past years.

        • Yeah, I should have posted a note at some point, but we try not to run the site as "Flux's d3 blog" so it's not about the author(s) personal lives.

          I did tell all the regular podcast guests, and it wasn't a secret, so I sort of hoped that word would spread.

    6. It was fun to listen again, I didn't did that for quite few months.Best solution for lag is solo play and ESC button. When you're playing solo, you can pause the game and, well, game pauses so nothing can happen. As long as the lag is happening, you see that objects are moving, are animated, when lag ends, everything stops and then you know that you can unpause freely. I'm playing HC and I never died using this technique (you can see that your life is dropping when you've paused during lag, but after lag is over it returns to previous value, real for the moment when you've paused). But it's solo exclusive feature. At least can make your life less bitter.I didn't played Crusader since 1st half of 2014, I stopped around level 32 because it was so boring that I couldn't take it. This season I gave Crus another chance and so far it's really fun (~22h). But then I don't know what changed in the meantime. I know, though, that last season I barely reached 70 with my Monk, cause that was a bore. It looks like I went wrong direction, as that healer sounds cool.

    7. Nice listening but you guys seem really disappointed, almost desperate… I you combine this with the previous post on the friend of a friend of a buys working at Blizzard, I see only one possible solution: escape to WoW.Has someone done it? I do not know about Wow play style at all but I read the lore and it is an impressively long story. Some of peoples here are talking about D4=MMORPG. Do they want a transposition of Diablo class in Wow (or world of diablo)?To my mind, the casual diablo 3 play style is something I like a lot. It is also fun to have to ability to adjust the difficulty so that one can play in casual mode (doing something else at the same time for instance) one GR lesser if they want.Are Wow controls really different? I read some thread stating Wow and Diablo are night and day but could you twist your Wow experience to make it feel like Diablo?

      • WoW is a completely different game. While the story and world is interesting, the gameplay does almost nothing to appeal to me.The most polarizing difference is the feel of power your character has. This is something Diablo has always nailed perfectly and the main reason I come back to Diablo over any other arpg/rpg/mmo. Other games just don't seem to react as much when you get that item upgrade. In Diablo you actually feel the impact of item progression and that feeling is at the core why the game is enjoyable. WoW on the other hand doesn't give me a sense of progression as it's not really designed with soloplay in mind. I might get a bunch of upgrades, but some 2 expansions old much lower level raid will still destroy me if I attempt to solo it. Quite hard to get started in an environment where everybody has been playing for up to 10+ years.On a positive note about Blizz: Can't wait for Overwatch. Too bad I'm left hanging for now as I live in EU.

        • Ok. I wanted the give a try to this new PvP system in legion but it is PlayerS vs PlayerS and not Player vs Player right?

      • I'm trying PoE. Looks like ass, but interesting system. Not sure I'll stick to it. It is definitely not a casual game. By that I mean that D3 can be enjoyed even if you're not doing spreadsheets, that doesn't seem possible with PoE.

        • This is the problem a lot of people run into with PoE. You really have to be dedicated, and play very efficiently to get anywhere. I haven't played in a while, but it was also near impossible to self sustain on gear.D3 is much more casual.

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