Diablo 3 Forum Watch #99: The Hardcore Ironborn Want Your Corpse

Join or die: the Self Found HardCore League. The SFHCL, founded by Lord Vega, organizes and motivates the hardest of the hardcore, players going entirely Ironborn in Hardcore. There’s no Auction House access and players in the league are permitted (though not required) to trade with each other, but only loot they find/craft/vendor themselves. Most of the participants are cooperating and handing down equipment to others following the same ruleset and there’s a handy organization to the league provided by their custom group on Diablo 3 Ladders. It’s basically a preview of the no-AH / Ironborn style that many players hope to see officially-supported in D3X, and the main thread is huge and full of interesting tidbits.

Lord Vega: Basically, it’s a group of players which (mostly) know and trust each other and are focused on playing the game in a HC perspective from a different angle, the one where there is NO AH, and the only way to get better items is actually finding/crafting/vendoring them, and sharing them with the group!

Tougeznut: Me and Katniss have been doing the self-found HC thing for a little while. I love it, and would love to join this league! I haven’t had much time to play recently, but have a lot more free time now. I’ve been working on a wizard for 6 attempts now, and have high hopes of actually making it to inferno with this one :-).

ClaytonH: I will still play my barbarian, and have no illusions of transforming my entire account into self found only. I have no problem with the AH, and I like being able to source new items for my barb regardless of where they come from, in order to make him more powerful to handle higher mp levels, get more xp, and hope for better drops. This said, I am thoroughly enjoying the SFHC play style, and I like the camaraderie and friendly atmosphere that comes with it.

…I haven’t used an untwinked character in so long I had forgotten that playing like this is actually quite doable at the lower levels. She has built up a neat pile of cash (like… 48,000 gold) and I have found some very nice items at the vendors, notably the boots and chest piece. It is unbelievable how much you value every single gem drop, no matter how tiny the gem. Also had a good few items from Vega dropped along the way. I was very surprised to get the current main hand from an elite pack, and it has replaced a superb mace I was using at around level 23. If anyone is coming up from below me let me know, you’re welcome to the stuff I have outgrown.

That’s just a tiny excerpt of the over 100 posts in the thread, as players report on their progress and assist each other on the way up. If you’re bored with softcore grinding or even hardcore and want a new way to play that puts the challenge back into Diablo 3, and a great group of players to join on your quest, check out the SFHCL and give it a try.

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    8 thoughts on “Diablo 3 Forum Watch #99: The Hardcore Ironborn Want Your Corpse

    1. Uh, its not a “self found” league if you are allowed to trade with other people. Self found is self found. They should call that league something else.

      • I don’t really understand it either. So you’re allowed to trade, the only restriction is that you can’t use the AH? So all D2 chars where basically ironborn 😉

    2. Thanks for your thoughts, Fizoo. That is certainly one way to interpret “self found”. As a matter of fact, some of the members of the league do play that way, using only the items they have found with the heroes on their own account that are also “self-found”, or even found only with a specific hero despite having a number of heroes playing without using the AH on any given account. Not everyone wants to play this way though, and the league has some really great members who are good people and fun to play with.

      The fact that some of us share items that we find or craft that aren’t good for our hero, or that we have outgrown, does not invalidate the “self found” mindset, it simply shifts it to a slightly wider concept: that the items used are found by members of the group who are participating in an endeavour. While an argument could be made that the AH does the same, just on a broader scale since every item on there has been found by someone playing D3, the difference is that inside the league items no longer possess an instant gold value. With AH use, if I was to find a dex mempo and only have int heroes, that mempo goes straight on the AH and i get a little paycheck in lieu of my useful item. Within the league, throwing the mempo onto the AH is no longer an option, so the choice is to keep the item and start another character to get to 60 and use it, or hand it over to another league member who will be able to use it. The greed factor is removed, and community involvement in helping each other to our respective goals is enhanced.

      If you would like to join the league, check out the links in Flux’s post. You don’t have to share with anyone or receive items from anyone if that is how you would like to play, but it is nice to be able to play with other characters that are on a relatively equal footing.

      • Well, it completely invalidates it to me. Just change the name to something else. Its not self found. Its just going to make everything really confusing otherwise.

    3. If one of my duplicate comments above could be deleted, I would be grateful. Not sure how to do it and the log in was a bit messed up earlier resulting in the double post. Apologies.

    4. What about my already found recipes? upped artisans? and my gold?
      And what about what i find without the SF char?

    5. BloodyJester, I’ve answered your query in the SFHCL forum post as well, but for anyone who doesn’t want to click through to there, here is the reply:

      Since it would be far too difficult to keep track of the crafting recipes, and most people already have their artisans upgraded, we decided that anything you have access to on your account that is not gold, items or gems (such as crafting recipes already found, artisans already upgraded) could be accessed freely.

      For items and gems, I cleared a section of my stash purely for SFHCL use, and I keep all gems, pages, tomes, mats, etc. found with SFHCL characters in that stash tab. I keep a piece of paper at my computer desk to record the starting and finishing gold totals, then calculate how much gold I have apportioned to my SFHCL characters. At present I have about 98,000 SFHCL gold, but around 27 mil on my account. It is the only way I could think of to keep track. I am going to make myself a spreadsheet to put the numbers in and keep a running tally for me so I can stop scrawling numbers on little pieces of paper 😛

      So basically anything that you can’t simply extricate from your account, like the recipes and levels of the artisans, can be used. Anything of value found with any non-SFHCL character is strictly off limits.

    6. What ClaytonH has said is spot on. We play this style for ourselves rather than to prove any point. It does provide additional depth to the game and also, it feels a little closer to D2.

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