Blizzard on Patch 2.3 Witch Doctor set changes:
I wanted to share updates on two of the sets that since 2.3 PTR launched have had significant changes – Helltooth and Spirit of Arachyr – with the goal re-aligning the discussions and theorycrafting to what the sets/playstyles might look like next PTR patch.
The initial starting cost of 150 Mana has been removed and the channel cost has been increased from 75 to 125 Mana. Summed up, this means when you channel Firebats for less than 3 attack cycles (roughly 2-3 seconds depending on attack speed) Firebats will cost less total Mana than previously. Additionally, the time needed to fully charge up Plague Bats and Cloud of Bats has been reduced by 40%.
These changes are intended to make a channeled skill like Firebats more friendly to use in fast-paced gameplay environments where movement is important. Some of the runes will still reinforce standing still to channel the skill but will do so by granting increased damage rather than consuming all of your Mana if you have to move due to danger or other reasons.
Spirit of Arachyr
These adjustments along with the Firebats changes above should sum to meaningful improvements to the build.
The damage bonus has been moved from requiring Necrosis on the enemy to be a self-buff on you.
The bonus currently reads “After casting Wall of Death, you gain 300% increased damage to your primary skills, Acid Cloud, Firebats, Zombie Charger, Grasp of the Dead, Piranhas, and Wall of Death for 10 seconds. This effect stacks up to 3 times.” Casting Wall of Death refreshes the duration of all existing stacks of this buff on you.
We want there to be some payoff for hitting with a challenging-to-use skill like Wall of Death but the difference between Necrosis being on the enemy or not was too large. Moving the 6pc bonus to a player buff also lets the set be more mobile.
Additionally, we are adding two weapons that synergize with this set:
These are not the only changes coming to sets but are what we wanted to share today. Thanks for all the focused feedback so far – keep it up.
I haven’t tried the new WD stuff, though it’s on my to-do list. There were several main complaints about the new WD stuff. 1) All the spells were mid-range attacks and there were not enough defensive buffs to support that proximity. 2) All the WD damage buffs required stacking/casting multiple spells in a row to power them up, which took much longer than comparable play options for other classes. 3) Too many of the WD’s skills were channeled requiring the WD to remain stationary to deal out big damage.
These tweaks address some of those issues, but WD players aren’t greeting them with delight and wonder. They might be wrong of course, and play testing is required to really see what/how the new stuff works, but early feedback isn’t exactly overjoyed. Click through for some quotes:
From the PTR feedback thread:
Hi John, no idea if you or anyone else at blizz will read this but i must say as a WD main these changes are at best disappointing. Let me explain my concerns which i think many WD players might share:
1) Firebats damage is still underperforming in comparisson with other classes. The risk/benefit scenario still is not rewarding enough to be worth it. Even factoring in the new bracers melee WD will take just too much damage and deal out too little
2) Spirit of Arachyr 2P / 4P while interesting in theoretical design are still useless in anything over T7 or Grift Equivalent. 6P on the other hand relies in skills that do so little damage that increasing it from 500 to 800 will not prove usefull at all. If a damage increase is to be the solution it needs to be substantial
3) The problem of the set and firebats still remains so… i think we differ with what “meaningful improvements” may be
4) Helltooth 2P: What is the point of using Wall of Zombies now? since its attack area is totally unreliable at best. There is no reason at all to use this skill over Grasp of the Dead (that does minimal damage).
5) Why is there a fixation of forcing DOT on WD??? Can’t we have a direct damage set that works like other classes? If the idea is for it to be unique then I’m sorry to inform the damage numbers need to way up.
6) The 6P Wall of Death buff is cumbersome and the same mechanic that most people complained about in Z6 all other classes just get a buff we need to cast a spell before in order to get a buff, we need to cast an unreliable spell. If the idea was to make more like the Wall of Zombies on Heroes of the Storm why isn’t it like the Wall of Zombies on Heroes of the Storm? I would much rather see a WoZ that has a much smaller radius and surrounds a single enemy while at the same time Isolates that enemy not allowing it to move for a few seconds, like a player controlled version of Jailer.
7) New items: look good on paper but Zombie Bears still require us to remain static to deal any semblance of damage. In current diablo meta if you are stading still = you are dead. Meaning not enough rewards. And the Acid Cloud Staff …. doesn’t sound interesting enough yet.
For a While now we have been waiting on you John, you said you were testing the class, you said you were familiarizing yourself with the class and its problems. If these are all the changes for WD i fear we will remain pigeonholed to Zuni Carnevil because as of now these changes do not promise any change to the meta.
I hope there are other changes planned indeed.
If GR62+ is the current goal, then helltooth and arachyr fall short by at least 5x the damage. Given other class results along with Carnevil, you must balance around this.
If these sets can clear GR50 without the new items, were looking at 17^13 hp growth and thus at least 5x less damage than the sets need.
The new weapons provide 1.85/1.45 damage boost which is 27.5% more damage. 1.27 <<< 5.Mr Yang, I think you need to spend more time contacting top players in the WD community, because we could have reported many flaws earlier in the development process. We work for free. Seriously, look at Paul's posts.--MCP
here is the problem i have with the helltooth set. in order to do dmg you have to:
-> cast wod 3 times
-> cast a primary
-> cast Grasp of the Dead
-> maybie cast BBV
-> now you can start doing dmg
you maybie see the problem already…
–Spirit of Arachyr
Still far from enough damage to be competitive. There are about 15 GR levels in between Carnevil (and any other class baring monks) as it stands – you could’ve tackled on a 0 at the end of those 500% to make things work out. Small Caveat: Unless you changed Grim Reaper to work with out set bonuses, then it requires a smaller multiplier.
The increase to 900 at three stacks doesn’t even cover the loss on the two piece bonus with this change, unless necrosis now stacks per application. That is to say, the set still will remain stuck at ~GR 45.
Also, the stacking mechanics doesn’t change anything over the status quo. At 10s, the buff is likely to drop off in between packs, requiring us to still use a 3 GCD setup to be able to deal (non competitive) damage. It’s just instead of using three casts to cover mobs in debuffs, it’s now three casts to cover ourselves in buffs (a target change – that’s all there is) – all that to still deal significantly less damage in a more restricted area than any other class does with but one skill.
You get the gist of it. The natives are truly restless.