Any thoughts on this? When I started WWing I used Bash (Instigation) to quickly get fury up and WWing under way. When I switched to DW, I used Frenzy, alternating between (Sidearm), which everyone says is best, and (Maniac), for a boost to WW damage. I like the style of (Maniac) but the timing is tricky. Then I noticed Bash (Punish), which I've never read anything about. (Maniac) provides a 20% boost to all DPS after 5 hits and lasts for around a second, but (Punish) gives a 18% boost to all DPS after just 3 hits, and the buff lasts for a full 5 seconds. In addition, Bash generates Fury twice as fast. So, assuming I see a pack, pop War Cry and then Battle Rage, and am left with 10 fury, needing 10 more for my first Sprint: Bash (Punish): Two hits to get fury for Sprint, including 12% buff, three hits for maximum 18% buff, buff lasts for 5 seconds of WW, max single target DPS of 177%. Frenzy (Maniac): Four hits to get fury for Sprint, including 16% buff, five hits for maximum 20% buff, buff lasts for 1 second, max single target DPS of 231%. Obviously there's also (Sidearm), which (I think?) has a slightly lower max DPS but doesn't have to ramp up the way (Maniac) does. The attack speed bonus of Frenzy, which matters for DPS and also for LoH when using it, doesn't really figure in here since it takes time for it to stack up. Bash (Punish) wouldn't be as good for chasing Goblins or whaling on bosses that are crammed into a corner and can't be WWed easily. Sorry for the plodding analysis. I guess the only thing to do is try playing with it. Anyone have any insights?