Discussion in 'Amazon' started by museamazon, Mar 5, 2007.
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windforce vs faith
this might be a very silly question
which is better?
on every bowazon,faith,no question
and i've pretty much paraphrased every post this thread will get.
in terms of shear damage out put i believe that windforce has been proven to have greater output. it depends greatly on your character level, your gear, your merc's gear, whether you're pvp or pvm, and what skill you're using.
help us out, what's your zon's occupation going to be?
With enough off-weapon IAS and a act 1 merc using Faith, Windforce all the way. In every other case, Faith.
It's easier to go hybrid with a faith bow because you'll save on a lot of points that you'd normally put into penetrate if you're using wf or wws.
Otherwise uhmmm, as said above, depends on what you want to do with your ama.
on every bowazon,windforce,no question
haha damn i thought after the first post it was a clear answer
my amazon is using a multi 20 guided 20 build with all the rest of the points going on the passive skills
my merc is an act 2 nightmare offensive guy with the might (i think its called that) aura
dont know if this will help?
How is you budget? Can you afford tons of godly items? Or recently started D2?
recently started again (3rd time)
on all previous accounts i was packed full of goodys now im horribly poor
the only decent items i have are:
and a few other average things like sting of ears
(and perfect gems ofcourse)
hopefully ill be able to get some more stuff together
a forge ist and 10-15 pgems can get you a hr or two depending on your realm. also that string of ears if good stats (%ed and mdr) can get you a pretty penny from a lld type person.
if you can only afford one or the other, go with faith. you'd want faith on your merc if you used windforce. of your two posted selections faith (mat bow) is the easiest to gear around. another thing to consider is that often the base is harder to come by than the runes to put in it. maybe a good thing to do would be to make faith in a non zon only bow (shadow is my favorite) and then if you get a wf you can go with that.
It makes you independent from your silly merc.
So if she dies, you won't be shooting from your slowass bow. Especially in PvP, Faith on yourself is a must. I'd even say make it in a Matriarchal Bow...
Wind force is a joke now, i wouldnt even subject a merc to Wind Force, true it does 35- 500+, but theres a good chance youll be hiting a lot of under 150s - 200s
Witch wild has the Highest Minimum damage of any bow (Upgraded Base) giving it a stable damage output and a masive % chance to critical hit, not to mention amp. and it has slots for Ohms.
To truly measure a bow to Faith WF isnt the one to do it, your better off Comparing
(58.8 - 77.7) - (114.8 - 151.7) base: 21 to 41 (31 Avg) (calculated with 180-270%)
180-220% Enhanced Damage (varies) 230-270% with ohm
Slows Target By 30%
30% Chance of Open Wounds
30% Increased Attack Speed
7-10% Life Stolen Per Hit (varies)
+35 To Mana
(82.5 - 121.1) - (100 -148) base: 33 to 40 (36.5 Avg) calculated with 150-270%
+150-170% Enhanced Damage (250-270 w/ 2 Ohms) (varies)
Fires Magic Arrows [Level 20] (does 20% magic damage 80% phisical damage when useing reular attack, also adding 20% damage)
2% Chance To Cast Level 5 Amplify Damage On Striking
+ (1 Per Character Level) 1-99 % Deadly Strike (Based On Character Level)
All Resistances +40
Should be noted that the deadly strike on the bow does stack with gore riders, but not with critical strike skill, so if it doesnt crit, your critical strike will be calculated as a chance to crit, but if your Lv 85+ with gores, your going to crit every time.
and for random (x)bows
Pus Spiter: (req 47 str, 42 dex)
(62.5-80)-(217.5-256) Base 25 to 87 (56 Avg) w/o Ohm (probly wana shael)
+150-220% Enhanced Damage (varies)
+150 Poison Damage Over 8 Seconds
9% Chance To Cast Level 6 Poison Nova When Struck
4% Chance To Cast Level 1 Lower Resist On Striking
+ (5 Per Character Level) 5-495 To Attack Rating (Based On Character Level)
10% Increased Attack Speed
+2 To Necromancer Skill Levels
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.09 or later)
From the Desk of:
While one may argue Windforce is overshadowed by new runewords cough*Faith*cough, you can hardly say that Windforce is a "joke". Windforce is one hell of a bow, and will remain so.
should i have an archer merc then?
ive been using the act 2 guys from nightmare
also (im about to show just how new i am) whats an hr?
Lightning Sorcs also have an extremely wide damage range. Are they a joke also?
Don't forget that, besides having ridiculous average damage (which is what really matters when you get down to it), it's also got mana leech and knockback built right in. Not exactly all that godly for PvP, but definitely frees up some gear slots for PvM.
If you are on a low budget try getting:
Faith Mariarchal Bow with low stats, even 12fana/1skill will do.
Use Laying of Hands gloves(set-gloves costs 1-2pgs)
Low Gores(pgs) or low Wartravelers(pgs)
Dualllech ring(nn godly, dual leech is enough if you dont have leech elsewhere)
For helm almost any could do(Tal helm, Stealskull, valkyrie wing etc. maybe your best choice would be a low Andariels Visage(worth a few pgs with low stats).
For armor, try getting the worst Fortitude(the 300ed is the main thing here). Even a Twitchtroe would be good if low budget.
With these items you shouldnt have many problems running Pits, Shenk, Eldricht and even Chaos shouldnt be to hard.
wf has a higher max damage, lower min damage when compared to gmb faith
when you take the average, they're pretty much even, wf maybe winning by 2 **** hairs
wf relies on merc for speed
if she dies, you drop a few frames (haven't gone to calculate though), but she doesn't die often
faith relies on merc for damage
if he dies, you lose a crap load of damage, and he does die very often
it's personal preference, if you ask me
but wait, there's more
throw in a hammerdin and wf owns faith, hands down
i don't think i need to explain why?
And from Windforce you get Knockback and manaleech, which means you dont need KB on gloves or helm, you are free to use LoH(which are the best PvM gloves) and you dont need a dualleech ring(a ll-ring is enough).
You don't lose that much with a Faith and Conc/Might merc; Chaos just runs a bit slower.
Whereas it's nigh impossible to do Chaos without an A1 Merc for faith.
Faith/fortitude is my favorite setup, ultra fast strafe without ias from armor is splendid. I also use 20ias kb gloves,45 ias custom tiara, cat's eye ,nosferatu and war travs. Works like a charm. With windforce I favor treachery (ias-venom)/loh or blood /various helmets.
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