Can we PLEASE take off the rose tinted glasses? I'll start by saying I've been a member of this community (ii.net, not incgamers) for a very long time. I remember eagerly anticipating D2 and its expansion a year later LoD. I played the hell out of that game, and had an amazing time doing so. It is easily in my top 5 favorite games of all time. Probably top 3. However, in retrospect there were a lot of problems with it. Problems that seem to be getting completely ignored or, even worse, cited as "great" things about the game as people compare it to D3's beta in their "reviews". I thought I'd go through this list and try to put some of these rumors to rest. 1. The bartering system of D2 was an amazing way to connect with the community. WHAT!?!?! Any time I hear someone praising, or even indirectly praising the D2 trading system I have a strong suspicions that that someone never actually played the game. Do you guys even remember what that hell consisted of? 3rd party sites. Spamming the trade channel. Joining trade games. WUW. WUG. Spam. Scams. Ripoffs. etc etc etc. Anyone who legitimately participated in this knows it was horrible. The D3 auction house is a godsend. 2. D2 graphics were more dark and gothic Again, WHAT?!?!?! I can't believe someone has the cognitive dissonance to block out the entire outdoor areas of FOUR OUT OF FIVE ACTS. We've seen 1/3rd of D3's act 1. The Cathedral is very gothic looking, complete with gargoyles torture scenes and hidden passage ways. If anyone is truly advocating the return of light radius, I don't want to be associated with you. You are a terrible person. 3a. There was so much to do in D2 games, D3 games are boring Excuse me? What D3 games are you referring to exactly? The closed/open beta ones that come to an abrupt end 40 minutes into the game? You are comparing this to 5 full acts from the entirety of D2 and the entirety of its expansion? I'm seriously shocked that I've seen more than 1 person making this "point". It is outrageous, especially given the definitive lack of meaningful things to do in D2 hell games. Pindle, shenk, baal, diablo, meph, rinse repeat. Council, pit, chaos, countess if you're bored. Nephalem Valor Buff > anything from D2 in terms of content encouragement. 3b. D3's matchmaking system blows, D2's was much better and more friendly Ohhh man, if there was ever a statement more capable than #1 on this list of making me think you didn't play D2 this is it. What do you mean D2's was better? Do you remember what joining a public game consisted of? Scan the list hoping that people aren't lying about their titles. Select your game and join it praying that you a) the objective has not yet been completed and b) you manage to join the correct party before they manage to complete it. A huge percentage of public games were known as runs. Baal-1, Chaos-2, Trist-3, Tombs-4, Cows-5 etc etc, which were specialized games meant for maxing xp gain because of the retarded systems that made you reroll every time you got slightly better gear or made a mistake. 4. D3 is missing D2's magic I can't imagine a more ridiculous statement than this. It pretty much translates to "I can't actually think about what it is I enjoy in games, so I'll fall back to a hopelessly generic cliche to get my point across". Terrible. Those are just some of the things I've been seeing. Some other massive issues with Diablo 2 that are completely fixed by D3: - Terrible crafting system - Awful friends list management, very limited in size and scope (multiple accounts per cd key exacerbated the problem) - Skill points, synergies, small % of viable end game skills, small # of viable end game builds - Characters deleted after 90 days of inactivity - LCS (lying character screen) - breakpoints (if you played D2 seriously, you know exactly what I'm talking about) - no respec, broken characters had to be deleted to be fixed. Inexcusable. - loot being first click first get... horrible. Big middle finger to ranged characters as well as many others. I probably could go on, I was able to pull all these off the top of my head. D2 was my go to game for half a dozen years, and even for a couple stretches after that, but let's stop pretending like it was the end all be all of fantasy ARPGs. D3 blows it out of the water in every way I just mentioned and some I haven't. It is head and shoulders above any of the copy cats, and soon enough we'll have the sales numbers to prove it (for lack of any other objective measure).