Pentagrams Sighted in Diablo III


Back in October last year a fan questioned the sense behind the removal of religious imagery from Diablo III, arguing that it needs it for its dramatic impact. Bashiok explained that Blizzard are trying not to pigeon hole Sanctuary into a specific real-world religious bent and rather wish to create their own culture.

In the previous games I think there was a sense of “Oh it’s a demon, Diablo, devil, Satan, satanism… pentagram!” and while certainly there are those influences, what we’re creating now and have been creating for quite some time is evolving the game world and making something more complete.

Pentagram in Diablo 3 SigilAt the time there were mixed reactions. On one side there is the development of a unique faith/religion that’s free to evolve into whatever the lore writers wish it to, unrestricted by real world realities. On the other, there’s the connotations that religious imagery such as the pentagram lend to the Diablo 3 experience.

Whilst perhaps not as ostentatious as some of the floor art we saw in Diablo 2, so far two pentagrams have shown up as reported in the beta forum. ZERonl spotted that the slot in the skill UI for slotting runes has a pentagram for a background (below)and Kastigar posted in the forum that you can select a pentagram as the Sigil in your DiabloWikiBanner as seen above (click for large view).

Diablo 3 Runestone slot

We interviewed Diablo series creator Max Schaefer about the removal of pentagrams and other real world religious symbols from Diablo III on our first Diablo Podcast, here’s what he had to say. Click through for the quote…

FLUX: Yeah, definitely. So, one of the things we talked about last time a little bit – and I just sent you a link about it – you had a lot of Christian references… a lot of crosses and pentagrams and sort of parallels to Christian religion. You know, real existing faiths in your mythology of your Diablo games.

MAX SCHAEFER: Yes.


FLUX: Obviously, you guys planned that. It wasn’t just like, “We can’t think of something better or something different so we’re just going to slap in some crosses.”

MAX SCHAEFER: No. And it wasn’t necessarily because it’s Christianity as such. It’s just that it evokes images and ideas that people are familiar with. It’s not just a cross, it was a cathedral. It was a town that had the architecture style of what you would find in medieval Europe. There was lots of things beyond that imagery that was drawing upon real world parallels. It was just because that’s what evoked the ideas that we wanted to evoke.


FLUX: As we’ve seen recently – as I sent you the link supporting it – where Blizzard has sort of removed all of the crosses and pentagrams from Diablo and also from World of Warcraft apparently. Some of the stuff upon release has since been sort of… I would say sanitized. Their explanation is that they’re creating their own original individual world and their own mythology. Obviously, you can comment on this to whatever variety you like, but what do you think about that? I believe you said last time that you wouldn’t have done that if you were still on the project.

MAX SCHAEFER: We definitely would have not done that, because it doesn’t… the idea that it’s just because you want to have a new world that you’re creating something in just doesn’t wash. They picked out those two things because they’re controversial. We wouldn’t have done it. I don’t begrudge them their decisions. Again, they gotta pursue what they think is right with the game. But, we would not have done that.

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  1. It annoys me that people equate the pentagram with satanism and forgetting the 1000s of years of history it had before the invention of the devil.

    • Yeah it’s a shame. I have a feeling the lore writers at Blizzard will know that, I’m sure they’re well versed in symbolism.  Unfortunately popular culture has misrepresented the pentagram and it often suggests evil, devil worship etc.

      I like to think Blizzard have played it down preferring to create their own imagery rather than concern with what the pentagram is popularly considered (by public and critics) to represent.

      • Well Elly i believe they both know about what they can and what they can not use. Thy smartly plays with common misunderstanding of pentograms to ensure dark and creepy feelings in ppl that see it but not filling game with signs just for the hell of it. They divide symbols and plays with our knowledge and understanding to fit the audience no matter of how educated player is. 

        So fucking great job of them!

    • Same thing happened with the swastika… its original usage was for protection, the Nazis forever tainted it

      • I remember stripping some old linoleum off the kitchen floor at my current house only to find older stuff with a swastika pattern on it. Very, very old.

        • Circumscribed **inverted** pentagrams (two points pointing up) are about Satanism… And the picture in this article shows a circumscribed (sort of) inverted pentagram, and it is in the context of a video game called Diablo. So I think it’s safe to assume that it is about satanism…

          The typical pentagram is a star that is right-side up (two points pointing down) with no circle around it.

          • Actually in Sumerian hieroglyphs it is shown with two points up or inverted.   The use of the pentagram for santism came much much later.  And their version is related to the orginal Pythagorean since the translation in greek meant Pit or void.

          • The Sumerian pentagrams weren’t circumscribed.

            Regardless, it doesn’t matter if Satanism came after the creation of the symbol. The cross symbol predates Christianity as well, but that doesn’t mean when somebody flashes a cross or uses a cross that they’re not referring to Christianity in some way. The symbol “A” predates the letter “A” too, but that doesn’t mean the letter A isn’t part of the English alphabet.

            What matters is: one, Satanists have used and use a circumscribed inverted pentagram as their symbol. Two, a circumscribed inverted pentagram is seen by contemporary people as a symbol of Satanism (for the aforementioned reason).

            Moreover, that pit or void refers to the place where the fallen angels reside (which includes Satan).

            So, really, I don’t see your point. Saying that the symbol, “an inverted circumscribed pentagram,” was invented before Satanism is irrelevant. Lastly, the Sumerians were Pagans anyway, so whatever they worshiped should be attributed to Satanism de facto. What the Sumerians worshiped either didn’t exist or were fallen angels.

          • I suggest you read
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram#Sumer

            1. It is shown inverted.
            2. Pagans are not satanist  in order to believe in satan you have to believe in Christianity.  
            3. Just because something has a meaning to some people in some cultures does not mean that meaning translates to anything beyond that culture.   And is very selfish of you to think that the western view of it’s meaning somehow carries more weight than the rest of the world currently.  

          • Even more fun is that Satanism doesn’t require worship of Satan.
             
            And while the meaning for the pentagram in the Western World may not carry more weight outside the Western World, inside the Western World it does. The game’s people’s culture is styled after those in the western world, specifically medieval Europe, where it does carry significantly more weight. =)

          • ” in order to believe in satan you have to believe in Christianity. And is very selfish of you to think that the western view of it’s meaning somehow carries more weight than the rest of the world currently. ”

            duh, the whole game is about heaven and hell
            the games has freaking angels 

            so of course the pentagram in THIS GAME represents satan worship 

            so it has nothing to do with thinking that christianity or the western view of pentagrams, or western culture carries more weight than other cultures 

            you might as well say demons don’t mean demons, angels don’t mean angels, heaven doesn’t mean heaven and hell doesn’t mean hell, because those things TOGETHER are all  representative of christianity and is very selfish of you to think that the western view of  demons, angels, heaven and hell somehow carries more weight than what the rest of the world currently thinks demons, angels, heaven and hell represent

          • Satan is made up from stupid christians who stole everything from the people who came before them.   The pentagram is not satanic it is mathematic and the people who came before christians were correct in its meaning.   The christian/satanic version is nonsensical.
             
             

          • @Matt you are a moron do your research before you comment.
            @Muggs you are spot on
            @jamesL you should do your homework Demons existed long before christianity.
            @preyingmantis you are pretty much correct
            It amazes me how ignorant some of you people are I swear you just believe what you were told and do no research for yourself and you wonder why religion has a strangle hold on people.

          • Not only Christians believe in Satan or Diablo or Sheitan.

          • “Lastly, the Sumerians were Pagans anyway, so whatever they worshiped should be attributed to Satanism de facto.”

            Look, apart from anything else, just because later writers turned early gods into Satan does not mean that the people worshipping those gods (at the time, before the later writers) were actually worshipping Satan. They were not, They were worshipping their gods, who were no different to any other god or gods people worshipped at various times in history.

            But this: “What the Sumerians worshiped either didn’t exist or were fallen angels”

            just really takes the cake. I mean, f#$cking LOL, imperialist much?

            Let me re-write that sentence for factual accuracy – “What the Sumerians worshipped didn’t exist, in exactly the same way the Christian God does not exist, in exactly the same way the Devil does not exist, in exactly the same way that all Gods and anti-Gods do not exist.”

            Please, trying to tell us that pagan worshippers had false gods or were worshipping the devil … you do realise that the Christian whitewash happened millennia ago, right, and that it has been centuries – literally, centuries – since the whitewash was recognised and corrected? No genuine historian would be so stupid and ignorant as to say that pagan Gods were not “real”.

            Time to catch up on the news, dude; or, if you’re not willing to, take your God-bothering elsewhere. We don’t need preachers here because if you take a careful look around you will notice that this is not an evangelical website but is in fact one devoted to a COMPUTER GAME.

          • Snort it lame how symbols come to mean just one thing.
            And like other have said to be a Satanist you have to beleave that he exist and since he tied to the Christen God that means you have to be a Christen kind of (as you cant have Satan with out him)

            BTW interesting fact is that the God of Jews, Muslims and Christens is rooted in the Canaanite god El <- God is refereed to as El in a few places in the religious texts, there's a load of evidence that they are one and the same (the stuff in the Bible and else where).

          • @Vanilla

            “Look, apart from anything else, just because later writers turned early gods into Satan does not mean that the people worshipping those gods (at the time, before the later writers) were actually worshipping Satan.”

            If Christianity is true, then they were either worshiping false idols or they were worshiping demons/Satan.

            “just really takes the cake. I mean, f#$cking LOL, imperialist much?”

            Ironic. I have my beliefs. You have your beliefs. But notice, you’re the one going crazy here, not I, by swearing and mocking anyone who isn’t an atheist like yourself–or whatever you are.

            “Let me re-write that sentence for factual accuracy – ‘What the Sumerians worshipped didn’t exist, in exactly the same way the Christian God does not exist, in exactly the same way the Devil does not exist, in exactly the same way that all Gods and anti-Gods do not exist.'”

            Yes, you think God doesn’t exist and that Christianity isn’t true. Why don’t you list some of the reasons you think so?

            “Please, trying to tell us that pagan worshippers had false gods or were worshipping the devil …”

            Yes, if Christianity is true, then that’s exactly right! And I believe Christianity is true. You’re in a way being hypocritical because you think pagans and Christians are wrong, and naturally, you think your ideas are correct. In that sense, I don’t differ from you, but here you are trying to make me look like I’m some sort of bad guy for thinking Christianity is true and that my ideas are correct.

            “you do realise that the Christian whitewash happened millennia ago, right, and that it has been centuries – literally, centuries – since the whitewash was recognised and corrected? No genuine historian would be so stupid and ignorant as to say that pagan Gods were not ‘real’.”

            Were *not* real? In all honestly, I have no idea what you’re trying to say here. I don’t think many contemporary historians explicitly appeal to the supernatural in any form. I don’t think they believe it is their job to say whether a certain god is real or fake–or if a supernatural had occurred. They just leave it alone and try to piece together what was heard, said, and written.

            “Time to catch up on the news, dude; or, if you’re not willing to, take your God-bothering elsewhere. We don’t need preachers here because if you take a careful look around you will notice that this is not an evangelical website but is in fact one devoted to a COMPUTER GAME.”

            The only person who seems to be preaching here is you. And I have no idea what you mean by “Time to catch up on the news.”

            By the way, feel free to state your beliefs and arguments for those beliefs. I’m willing to show you why atheism is an irrational belief.

        • “Even more fun is that Satanism doesn’t require worship of Satan.”

          Yeah, just like Christianity doesn’t require people to worship Christ. Derp.

          Genuine Satanists worship Satan just like genuine Christians worship Jesus.

          “And while the meaning for the pentagram in the Western World may not carry more weight outside the Western World”

          Actually an inverted circumscribed pentagram is known world wide as a symbol for Satanism.

          • Did you read the article? But before we get to that, Wikipedia is in itself an unreliable source, so what “they” say doesn’t amount to much. Much of it is “their” opinion.

            What you linked me to is called Atheistic Satanism, not Satanism. Atheistic Satanism does not equal Satanism. In that very article they call Theistic Satanism, Traditional Satanism. In other words, Theistic Satanism is genuine Satanism. Real Satanism–which is what is being talked about.

            Did you know that there are people who call themselves Christians who don’t think Jesus is Lord, nor do they worship him? I wouldn’t call them genuine Christians though. Apply that same logic to Satanism and there you go. I wouldn’t call a so-called Atheistic Satanist a true Satanist.

            Finally, even an Atheist Satanist is on the side of Satan, whether they know it or not, because they share his belief that “the highest good is acting in one’s own interest,” even if it is against God. And if you’re not on the side of God, then you’re rebelling against God. And if you’re rebelling against God, then you’re in the same category as Satan and his fellow fallen angels.

          • Well, as you seem to be in explicit and exclusive control of the definition of “genuine” in this context, it seems everyone else must agree with you.

          • “Well, as you seem to be in explicit and exclusive control of the definition of “genuine” in this context, it seems everyone else must agree with you.”

            Feel free to call people who don’t believe in Jesus Christians, people who believe in God atheists, and people who don’t believe in Satan Satanists, if you want.

            But I like to think that words have meaning.

            Also, we’ve been talking about Satanists with no qualifier, and so it would be presumed that we’re talking about people who believe in Satan (worship Satan), just like a belief in Jesus would be presumed if we were talking about Christianity. It would be ridiculous if somebody suddenly chimed in and said, “Whoa there! Not all Christians believe Jesus is Lord, there are Christians who don’t worship Jesus or think he’s God!” Technically, that person would be right, but in the context of how language is used they’d be wrong, since people typically default to normative word definitions.

          • @Matt

            What about LaVey Satanism? There isn’t a Satan in there at all, it’s all about the self.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism

            Satanism in itself is an extremely broad range of subreligions and cults, just as Christianity has many subreligions and cults in it.

      • @Muggs

        1. Maybe you should read that Wikipedia article. The Sumerian pentagram isn’t circumscribed like the inverted circumscribed pentagram that Satanists use. That’s what I wrote the first time (but you ignored that detail or don’t know what circumscribed means) and that’s what the Wikipedia article says. The devil is in the details, brah.

        2. You never addressed my point that it doesn’t matter who used the symbol first or if the symbol existed prior to Satanism. What matters is what it is used for now as well as what people see or feel when they see the symbol. Although this point doesn’t really matter since the Sumerian pentagram isn’t circumscribed and thus your argument is already fallacious.

        3. “Just because something has a meaning to some people in some cultures does not mean that meaning translates to anything beyond that culture.”

        An inverted circumscribed pentagram is what Satanists use world wide to identify themselves. And it is seen world wide as such by those who aren’t ignorant. Moreover, your point undermines your own argument since you’re trying to say that because Sumerians thousands of years ago used pentagrams, then that means inverted circumscribed pentagrams have nothing to do with Satanism, even though we’re living in different culture and time.

        You = logic owned

        • “It amazes me how ignorant some of you people are I swear you just believe what you were told and do no research for yourself and you wonder why religion has a strangle hold on people.”

          What is your education level? Do you have a PhD in Google and Wikipedia? STFU.
          Why don’t you do some so-called research, fatboy? Why don’t you start by looking up the words “pentagram,” “inverted,” and “circumscribed.”

        • “Wikipedia is in itself an unreliable source, ”  so we are supposed to not believe wikipedia but believe some guy named Matt.   Right bud pass me some of what you are smoking.

          • First, none of my writing contradicts Wikipedia.
            Second, Wikipedia is routinely edited by Matts, Amandas, Jakes, etc.

  2. Can they remove Christianity and have much left?  Once you have, say, a cathedral, you have raised a whole domain of specifically Christian imagery.

    • I don’t see the point in removing imagery that is associated with the “real world.” Pentagrams, crosses, etc. Just seems childish to me.
      Whatever Blizzard makes up to substitute the cross, pentagram, etc., won’t have the same depth as their real-world counterparts.
      Political correctness for the lose.

  3. It looks as if Blizzard has gone back on a few of their early made decisions to please the masses. Which is good!
    – Not so colourish anymore
    – Pentagrams
    – Decapitated bodies
    – Moody music
    – No Unicorns yet

    And so on.
    What I have seen from the Beta footage so far it looks more like the predecessors than the early Diablo 3 work.

    • No unicorns yet, we can only hope…. lol
      Anyways, I’m glad pentagrams are in there, but ultimately it wouldn’t matter too much for me. The beta looks extremely dark, and this is just the start of the game! Blizzard is doing an amazing job with this game, can’t wait for its release! Don’t think I’ve been this exciting for gaming since playing LOD so, so long ago!

    • Colors are still there, the “bright” area from the first gameplay video that everyone was nerdraging (or emoraging? gothraging?) about is not tristram, so we haven’t actually seen that one in it’s current state yet.
      Also, my interpretation of the Pentagram comment was not that they want to erase it, they just don’t want it to become a part of the lore, or in a position where it’s difficult to explain why it’s there without including it in the lore. Having a symbol shaped as a pentagram… who cares.
      Decapitated bodies and Horror(http://www.diablowiki.net/Horror) have always been there, the few pieces of music that we’ve known have not changed and there might very well be unicorns… with tentacles from what I’ve heard.
       
      Point being, not much changed, just your perception of it. When the fanbase makes judgements from only scraps of information but reaches conclusions that encompass the whole game, then misjudgements or “talking out of your ass” is pretty much inevitable.

    • you’ve seen maybe 1/3 of one act
      so you really can’t tell how colourish it is

      pentagrams, yes, but moody music ? 
      do you really think one of their early decisions was to NOT have moody music in the game ?

      unicorns ?

    • There damn well better be unicorns in the game.

      I imagine that if we end up going to Heaven…it will be colorful. Which is what you would expect, isn’t it?

  4. Just looks like circle + start to me nothing special

  5. – No Unicorns yet <- Yet? Just wait and see youll be sorry 😀

  6. In some older cultures the pentagram (or at least a 5 sided figure) represented regeneration and regrowth, be it humans or harvest.
    the 4 elements represented the appendeges on our bodies, while the 5th part of the pentad represented the head. I could go on like this, but yeah, the pentagram wasn’t always associated with evil

  7. I feel offended.
    Not by the Pentagram, but by all the needless violence against zombies. They just want a hug… and brains.
     
    D1 had flaming inverted crosses i think right? OOOH, scary. That’s fine with me, pentagrams, sure. How about a giant axe in the shape of a cross glowing with holy sparkles. OK! You can lay on all the religious symbolism you want and I’m OK with it.

  8. Pentagram in Christianity was a symbol of protection (eg. from deamons), also of the 5 wounds of Christ, the usage by the satanists is very recently.

  9. Not to rejack the thread, but from Blizzard’s PoV it’s irrelevant what the actual historical or mythological context for the use of the pentagram is. What they care about is how their consumers will feel about the visual elements in their games, and the vast majority of their customers do not have a degree in religious symbolism with a minor in “skimming articles about satanism on wikipedia.”

    What matters to Blizzard is what most people will think when they see various symbols, and as we all know, the vast majority of people associate the pentagram with a demonic evil figure in Christian lore.

     

  10. Have RL religious connotations adds depth to the game.  I love when games/movies/shows do that.  For example, I’m a big fan of both Xenogears and Neon Genesis Evangelion.  They BOTH use religious imagery and bits of legend, but at the same time they both create worlds unique to themselves USING said imagery.  Worlds that have no real correlation to the real-world, and yet they do in our imaginations.

    These legendary symbols have connotations that Blizzard couldn’t hope to replicate, so I’m glad they’re at least flavoring the game a bit with them.

  11. “Satanism exalts the power of the individual. Western culture encourages people to go with the flow, and to believe and do things simply because the wider community is doing such. Satanists attempt to avoid such behavior, following the herd only if it makes logical sense and suits one’s own needs.”

    – satanism is about putting ones self first

    • “satanism is about putting ones self first”
      Which is why it’s horrible.

      • Who are you to say what is and is not horrible?  Just wondering.

        • “Who are you to say what is and is not horrible?  Just wondering.”

          A rational being.

          What kind of stupid question is that to ask? Do you say the same thing to anyone who makes a judgment of any kind?

          “Disgusting, that man raped and killed that poor woman. How horrible!”

          Zeramus: “derp, who r u 2 say dat iz horiple?”

          In all seriousness, feel free to explain what you mean, brah. Do you really find it offensive that I think egotism is wrong? Really?
           

      • I had a suspicion by Matt’s writings he had an ulterior motive.   Who said anything about satanism being horrible.    It is just another fairy tale made up in the minds of people just like all the other religions of the world.
         
        “It is said that men may not be the dreams of the Gods, but rather that the Gods are the dreams of men.”

    • Davi is correct.  The most modern practiced form of Satanism is LaVeyan Satanism.  Most people who are Satanists don’t actually… worship a magical entity called Satan.  I actually borrowed a copy of the Satanic Bible from another musician friend.  It’s an interesting read.  Essentially a way to psyche yourself up about yourself; it’s like self-help (but I suppose any philosophy that makes you feel better is that).  The whole concept of Satan is a literary symbol; the “magic” is also a symbol or euphemism for methods to make your goals attained.  

      It’s like meta-literature, literature about changing the meaning symbols that were symbols in the past. LaVey uses the old symbol of Satan and the like out of spite for theism and belief in the supernatural.  To embody a totally secular school of thought, to improve one’s self above all else (this includes your loved ones, though – it’s not a totally selfish philosophy), to be objective – these goals are the opposite (LaVey believed) of Christianity, so he used the symbol of their greatest threat to represent his philosophy.

      It’s interesting, but I think he failed to consider that many many people do not look into symbolism; they just take stories and symbols at face value.  His use of Satan discourages people from looking at the work or reading into it.  Maybe that was his intent?  No clue.

      But come now, Matt – Do you honestly live for other people?  Your entire being, aside from some altruistic tendencies and reproductive behaviors, is directly about self-preservation.  The two examples I just gave are extensions of that drive for self-preservation.

      • “But come now, Matt – Do you honestly live for other people?”

        Personally, no, but that’s because I’m not a very good person.

        There are plenty of people who live for others though. Not everyone is as selfish as you or I.

        “Your entire being, aside from some altruistic tendencies and reproductive behaviors, is directly about self-preservation.”

        You just contradicted yourself. If part of my being includes altruistic tendencies, then it’s not all about self-preservation. And there are people who knowingly and lovingly give their lives for others–so I don’t know what you’re talking about.

        “The two examples I just gave are extensions of that drive for self-preservation.”

        Sorry, but jumping on a grenade to shield your platoon from its explosion isn’t about self-preservation. No offense, but you need to read the news and get out more.

  12. and honestly i’m glad to see the pentagram back in

  13. I’m glad they flipped the pentagram:

    Occult symbolism 101

    An inverted pentegram is far more sacriligious than a standard one. Same as an inverted cross. Pentagrams are considered a pagan symbol of protection – still used in Wiccan religion to this day I believe – they actually ward against evil, and can be used to contain a “demon” or keep one out.

    An inverted one invites the power of darkness – Inverted pentagrams are considered the mark of Baphomet (a demon of darkness and lust, depicted as a goat, whose horns are the two upward facing points of the inverted pentagram) and are much more in line with mainstream satanism than the standard one, which actually historically (in occultism) represents the triumph of spirit over the material world. Hence it’s use as a symbol of health/protection.

    Then you have the broken pentagram – like the urban planning of the roads in Washington DC – it similarly invites evil:

    http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/8929/washingtonpentagramdetauk9.jpg

    From Goethe’s Faust (1808)

    Mephistopheles (the “son of hell” in Goethe’s “Faust”, published in 1808) was able to enter into Faust’s study because Faust’s pentagram was poorly made… one of it’s angles was broken:

    (Goethe’s Faust, Scene Six, Faust’s Study)

    Mephistopheles:

    Let me own up! I cannot go away;
    A little hinderance bids me stay,
    The witch’s foot upon your sill I see.

    Faust:

    The pentagram? That’s in your way?
    You son of Hell explain to me,
    If that stays you, how came you in today?

    Mephistopheles:

    Observe it closely! It is not well made;
    One angle, on the outer side of it,
    is just a little open, as you see.

  14. This entire conversation about the origin of pentagrams, the mythology/philosophy of Satanism, etc. is all a bit hilarious given the context. We are talking about a multi-billion-dollar, multi-national corporation. Do you really think it cares about history? 

    These decisions are made on popular perception, and popular perception frequently has little to do with factual accounts of history. Blizzard wants to make an erie game but also doesn’t want to get nailed by Bible-thumping parents, so the company takes the symbol that a significant part of the population associates with something scary, the Satan – regardless of whether that association has a historic anchor – and then flips the symbol upside down to cover its rear when the thumpers come out.

    While I find the history of folklore interesting (and that is where the study of religion and religious symbology belongs), the reasons for Blizzard’s decision to include, exclude or manipulate a religious symbols are far too shallow to warrant such a discussion.

    • Well, they are a multibillion dollar corporation – Most conspiracy theorists will tell you that the owners of these media conglomerates are demonic entity worshiping Illuminati types. Can’t say I don’t believe it either – I mean how did they get all that money without selling their souls 😉

  15. I want to see inverted hexagrams!!! …oh wait~
    😈
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puwllq0fBLs

  16. Matt, majority of satanists don’t actually worship satan from the bible, or even believe in it. Quoting Peter Gilmore from the Church of Satan: “”My real feeling is that anybody who believes in supernatural entities on some level is insane. Whether they believe in The Devil or God, they are abdicating reason”

    It’s really common misconception that satanism has anything to do with worshipping satan (as a supernatural entity from the bible), but it has nothing to do with reality.

    • Traditional Satanism is about worshiping Satan. That’s why it’s called… Satanism. And when I talk about Satanism, I’m talking about traditional Satanism. But whether it be traditional Satanism or Chocolate Satanism, the belief is still bad, because it’s all about egotism and narcissism.
      I’m sure there are people who have hijacked the name and religion (or whatever it is), that doesn’t surprise me. Most religions have been hijacked in one way or another.
       

  17. j WHANT MORE PENTAGRAM AND CROSS —+-

  18. Yes, the belief that you should put yourself ahead of others is egotism, narcissism, etc. Some people like to call it Satanism, because it sounds cooler. Then there are people who genuinely worship Satan. In either case, Satanism is bad. Atheism is the fairy tale. A belief that precludes God, leaving the believer with two irrational ideas: that something can come from literally nothing uncaused, or reality is past infinite. Give me some good rational reasons to believe the fairy tale that is atheism.

  19. I just don’t understand Blizzard sick strategy. Just put back some religion relationship in the game like others do. Harry Potter is selling because Voldemort is like a Satan, and people want it! Most people want religion relationship! There are a few people in the world who call themselves an atheist and they are afraid about any religion concept, but they don’t have enough money to satisfy Blizzard. I just don’t understand Blizzard.
     

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