Diablo 3 Dueling Re-Named to Brawling


A rather large update from Lylirra this weekend for what essentially boils down to a name change. Perhaps anticipating the knicker-wringing that would follow they felt longer was better.

After reviewing feedback from the DiabloWikiPTR, we’ve decided to rename dueling to brawling—a title we feel is much more fitting for the system. Rather than wait to announce this in the official patch notes, we wanted to let players know ahead of time, in part to reduce confusion and in part to explain the reasons behind the change.

While the system we designed for 1.0.7 was developed in order to give players a fun way to beat each other up in Diablo III, we’ve come to realize that “dueling” wasn’t the best name for it. Sure, it allows players to pummel, stomp, immolate, and hex fellow Nephalem (over and over again, if they so choose), but it’s not a traditional one-on-one duel. It’s something much more wild and open-ended, where you can engage in 3-person and even 4-person free-for-all skirmishes with few restrictions. The system is all about letting players fight for the sake of fighting—you don’t need to worry about objectives, rewards, or scoring, and that’s exactly what we love about it. But again, that’s not really dueling; it’s brawling!

There’s a lot of power in a name, and we think that the idea of a brawl more accurately describes the system we created. Heck, the NPC we added is even called Nek the Brawler, so we feel this re-branding must have been foretold in one of Deckard Cain’s prophecies. 🙂

This change will be reflected in the patch notes, as well as in all related game text fields once DiabloWiki1.0.7 ships. We’ve no further changes planned for brawling at this time, but we’re excited to see what kind of havoc players will wreak in the Scorched Chapel once the patch is released.

Feedback in the comments on the official site are typically pitiful so if your faith in humanity is tender as it is I recommend you don’t hop over for a read.

DiabloWikiDuelling was always the incorrect word for it, brawling is as good as any for a four way potentially unbalanced fight.

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  1. OMG, that changes everything! ;>

  2. the think tank up there are working very hard as it seems.

    +1 to blizzard.

  3. The complaining over on the Blizzard forums over something that is nothing more than a name change is hilarious. I’m starting to think I could unsub from HBO and just take up watching the Blizzard forums with a bag of popcorn and get just as much, if not more, entertainment.

  4. they lose time thinking and reporting this… and I lose time posting this 🙁

  5. This seems to me like the end result of 6 weeks of hard work in the Blizzard offices.

    *Applauds*

    Bravo good chaps, bravo!

  6. Srsly ? You call that “System” ? You allow us to click on another character.The result of … arround 3 years of hard work and polishing.
    Pathetic.Just pathetic!

  7. The hamster sure is running fast in that wheel over at Blizzard HQ.

  8. Brawling, huh? Aww, I was rooting for Nephalem Kerfluffle, or One-Shotting With Friends.

    • Based on comments here, I think “Bawling” would be more apt.

      The name change is a somewhat subtle way to state they will never balance pvp. So can they release the patch now??

  9. “The idea of a brawl more accurately describes the system we created.”

    Really now? Wasnt this ‘system’ lifted from D2….

  10. rename the game “Dungeon Brawler” while at it.

  11. poor thing, she has to work on the weekend?

  12. I now have a reason to come back.
    Thank the heavens for this splendiferous change

  13. Glad to see Blizz hard at work over there lol I read that thread and facepalmed immediately. This franchise is at its lowest of lows if this is what they are worried about.

    “Hey guys if we change the name we won’t have to do any work at all in terms of balance, teams, etc.!” – Rob Pardo

  14. We’re going to include the mystic, enchantments, full pvp support, and truly random dungeons, and by that we mean you get none of that. What’s in a name? This is one of the biggest waste of Blizz’s time, announcing a name change for a terribly implemented pvp system. Thanks.

  15. I can’t help but wonder…”brawling” is typically non-fatal while “dueling” is to the death and scary. They can’t go around scaring players.

  16. I agree with Blizzard on this one.

  17. I mentioned this previously in a much longer post regarding the new face of Diablo PvP… but why not just call this system “ticklefights”?

    I feel that neither “Dueling” nor “Brawling” properly conveys the experience you will get from this system. I do like where their head is that though in that I feel they should probably just stop at this point and devote all effort to renaming every aspect of the game including the game itself.

    Change the games name to Dungeon Crawler Tycoon and make it the beginning of a new franchise. I think that would satisfy a lot of people and hell who knows might be the beginning of a really cool franchise. Explore the business aspects of dungeon crawling.

  18. pointed this out before, but this

    “most of our testers didn’t feel like it was something they’d want to do beyond a few hours. Without more varied objectives, or very lucrative rewards, few saw our current iteration as something they’d want spend a lot of time in.”
    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/8163085/diablo-iii-pvp-update-12-27-2012

    vs

    “letting players fight for the sake of fighting—you don’t need to worry about objectives, rewards, or scoring, and that’s exactly what we love about it.”

    I just don’t get it
    do they even pay attention to what they’ve said in the past ?
    do they even listen to themselves ?

    • The dueling — whoops, sorry, brawling — added in 1.07 is nothing more than a place-holder, they still want to develop a meaningful PvP system with rewards, this obviously isn’t meant to be it.

      I could care less about the name change, I think it’s silly they make such a big deal about it.

      • but how can Blizz say one of the things they love about brawling is lack of rewards while at the same time saying “lack of rewards” is one of the things that made arena boring

        is brawling with no rewards really that much more fun than arena with no rewards ?

        • You’re probably approaching this from the wrong end.

          What they’re saying is, they don’t have the budget/manpower/time – or simply: intention – to create pvp rewards (/arenas/systems/implementations/balancing/matchmaking/etc.). A fully developed pvp system with rules, goals, etc. would have required those, and thus they’re going with a different version instead. One that is simplified to such degenerated no-concept level (it’s essentially a ‘no-mobs plus friendly-fire enabled’-map if you think about it), that it possesses the beauty of not even requiring rewards and all the other elaborate stuff. =)

          • no, what I’m thinking is they should have just shipped the game with arena PvP and no rewards

            I would have been fine with that

            if they don’t have the budget/manpower/time – or simply: intention – to create pvp rewards, then fine
            give us arena with no rewards

            bun’t don’t contradict yourselves and say we’re cancelling it because no rewards is boring but hey, here’s this awesome no rewards brawling !

  19. As long as they changed the name for grandma’s sake, I’m happy.

  20. Hey, they did something right. Now they should just rename the auction house to d2jsp.

  21. Its funny how the guy who made the thread on this sight was just like oh go to the forums where you can see all the basicly \terrible and vicious\ things that are being said but ya know what truth hurts, i couldnt believe when Lylra said that it has \no objectives, no rewards no keeping score and that what we love about it\ im thinking to myself wow so your basicly gonna tell people that the way you think a fun pvp system is, that basicly this is an awsome pvp, honestly ive seen games like runescape do a better job on pvp and that game was made by a couple of college brothers lol. just baffles me how much they don’t really care to listen and just in there minds doing such a great job and patting themselves on the back because the game sold 12 mill copies and i was the sucker who bought it, nothing like d2 besides the name change and fighting diablo at the end, (hell they killed deckard cain of so that aspect of the game is gone which we all loved.

  22. As it wasn’t a dueling system it makes better sense not to call it that.

  23. To brawl or not to browl that is the question./

    Great.

    Now play the sandbox brawl. You all asked for a sandbox didn’t you ?

    PvP will be introduced with defensive gems probably, until then just start brawling.

  24. Is it news the change of a debatable insignificant game feature? Will they announce the next addition of a line of code, etc.? What a load of rubbish.

    • I don’t think it will be insignificant. I am guessing several thousands will start tuning their gear set for brawling anyway.

      As some videos on the internet show, lots of people are having fun trying to one shot the other and stay alive a few seoonds more with defensive gear.

      I even think the total free form is a kind of sandbox thingie: gear up and tune up to be as high defensive as possible, play with a RL friend and try to get as many wins as possible.

      It is a change over the endless +% crit range…

  25. really don’t care !
    there must be NO pvp in D3 in the first place.

    come on blizz more great PVE content pls.

  26. Are you kidding me? Have you ever played D1 or D2? PvP has always been a HUGE part of Diablo. Leaving out PvP is just an absurd notion. I hope very few people think like you guys.

  27. googled “Who gives a f**k?”
    my name was not on the list.

  28. Didn’t Mike Morhaime just said “A new update is in testing now which will add duelling” the day before? So either Mike Morhaime mislead the public, or some time yesterday they suddenly decided to rename duelling.

  29. Dueling was typically done to the death. Brawling was/is not.

    Blizzard Irvine continues to demonstrate that they do not understand what goes into the visceral experience of Diablo.

  30. where is that link that shows the big J saying that simply and no-objective PvP was out of question? Then they will release this as “this is much fun” hahaha. Blizzard fell in my concept, totally.

    • bottom of 2nd page of this news post

      • +1’d

        “For us it comes to a few issues, one of which is depth. Simply fighting each other with no other objectives or choices to make gets old relatively quickly. We’ve brought a lot of people in to try out Team Deathmatch and, while some found it entertaining, most of our testers didn’t feel like it was something they’d want to do beyond a few hours. Without more varied objectives, or very lucrative rewards, few saw our current iteration as something they’d want spend a lot of time in.”

        so they didn’t ship with that, and then release as “omg we had an idea”

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